Quincy churches rally against Tilted Kilt pub - Resurrected

[Mael Coluim]

Just goes to show you, you just can't keep a good thread down! Special thanks to CDNSushi for finding these posts via Google. If all works there should be one page of the posts of the original thread with each post here.

1.27th August 12, 12:23 AM #1

Joe I
◦ Quincy churches rally against Tilted Kilt pub
http://www.patriotledger.com/topstor...ilted-Kilt-pub

I feel I've been insulted.

QUINCY — City officials have received an outpouring of indignation from churchgoers ahead of Tuesday’s license rehearing on Tilted Kilt, a pub chain known for waitresses in skimpy outfits.

“I believe that having one of their establishments here would be offensive to the many people of our community who hold to traditional family values ... and indeed to all who subscribe to a Judeo-Christian belief system or worldview,” the Rev. John Culp, pastor of the Fort Square Presbyterian Church, wrote in an Aug. 13 letter to the board.

Several Quincy residents have written strident letters of protest – one said she is “praying approval will not be granted.” The pastor of St. John The Baptist Church, which is near the proposed pub, has urged parishioners at church services to sign petitions and to appear at Tuesday’s hearing.

The license board will reconsider its unanimous July 17 vote to approve the opening of the Tilted Kiltat 227 Parkingway in Quincy Center, previously occupied by Outback Steakhouse.

Board chairman Joseph Shea said a review of postal receipts after the vote showed that the parties notified about the July 17 hearing did not include St. John’s Church, which Shea said was required under a provision of state law.

The law says a business that sells alcohol cannot be licensed within 500 feet of a school or church “unless the local licensing authority determines in writing and after a hearing that the premises are not detrimental to the educational and spiritual activities of said school or church.”

Shea said he expects an extensive deliberation Tuesday before a new vote is taken.

“Some of the issues are hard to get your hands around,” he said. “I’ve told the board members we’ll be there for a while, and we’ll have a full vetting of everything.”

In the most recent church bulletin, St. John’s pastor, the Rev. Richard Cannon, urges a strong turnout of the faithful at the licensing board.

“This is not a business that should be close to St. John’s, nor to any house of worship,” the Rev. Cannon wrote. “For the sake of our parish and our neighborhood we have an obligation to try to stop ‘Titled Kilts’ and its proposed opening. It can only be done with your voice, your signature and your presence at the licensing board hearing.”

Sea Street resident Marianne McCormack wrote to city councilors to say an “Irish Hooters” is not in keeping with the $1.6 billion revitalization of Quincy Center.



Read more: http://www.patriotledger.com/topstor...#ixzz24jFSgFDN
“You are worried about the homeless population in Quincy Center and now could bring in another element of humanity in the person of perverts and sexual deviants,” McCormack wrote, adding that the proposed location is along a gateway to the city.

In a letter to Ward 1 city councilor Margaret Laforest, resident De Larson decried waitresses who will “parade around in tartan bras for the viewing pleasure of the public.”

“Does the city want to send the message to its young women that it is acceptable to objectify women for profit?” she wrote. “Is this an establishment we can all be proud of?”

Tilted Kilt has locations in 24 states. The nearest is in Wethersfield, Conn. The Quincy pub is being proposed by a corporation called Waxy’s Quincy LLC, which is managed by Ashok Patel of Lexington.

Edward Fleming, an attorney for Titled Kilt, could not be reached for comment.

READ MORE about this issue.

Jack Encarnacao may be reached at jencarnacao@ledger.com.



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2.27th August 12, 03:17 AM #2

unixken
◦My family is originally from this city. I grew up there. LOL
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3.27th August 12, 03:37 AM #3

ScotFree
◦ Originally Posted by unixken
My family is originally from this city. I grew up there. LOL
I lived in Dedham and Norwood. Not too far from Quincy. I love the south shore. I can't say everything I'd like to say about this as that would be getting political and no doubt violates one of the board rules or another. But, the gist is, if you don't like the place ... don't go there. Whether you approve or disapprove, let's not kid ourselves into thinking that a few scraps of tartan qualifies as a kilt. Personally I love the meatloaf sandwich.
If you're counting the number of pleats on my kilt,
you're standing too close.

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4.27th August 12, 03:55 AM #4

LitTrog
◦ Originally Posted by Joe I
“Some of the issues are hard to get your hands around,” he said. “I’ve told the board members we’ll be there for a while, and we’ll have a full vetting of everything.”
I'm sure they will...
Things like

Originally Posted by Joe I
...waitresses who will “parade around in tartan bras for the viewing pleasure of the public.”




Originally Posted by Joe I
...perverts and sexual deviants...
I will write a letter notifying the board that Denver's TK pub keeps me firmly rooted in Colorado. I'm not going anywhere.
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5.27th August 12, 04:01 AM #5

ScotFree
Originally Posted by LitTrog
I will write a letter notifying the board that Denver's TK pub keeps me firmly rooted in Colorado. I'm not going anywhere.
It might be more helpful if you mentioned that you would consider moving to Quincy if they had a TK pub. Let 'em know it will up the town's appeal.

For the record, its the skirts, not the bras that are tartan. So everything should be OK then, right?
If you're counting the number of pleats on my kilt,
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6.27th August 12, 04:59 AM #6

LitTrog
Originally Posted by ScotFree
For the record, its the skirts, not the bras that are tartan. So everything should be OK then, right?
As a result of my independently undertaken session of heavy vetting, I discovered that the bras are tartan, also.


And, yeah. Things are quite OK.
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7.27th August 12, 05:29 AM #7

CDNSushi
◦ Originally Posted by Joe I

I feel I've been insulted.
Why? Do you plan on parading about scantily clad, wearing a tartan bra and not much else?

Neither defending nor condemning this church group here, but seems to be that it has much more to do with women wearing revealing outfits than men wearing a traditional Scottish garment.
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8.27th August 12, 06:00 AM #8

LitTrog
◦ Originally Posted by CDNSushi
Why? Do you plan on parading about scantily clad, wearing a tartan bra and not much else?

Neither defending nor condemning this church group here, but seems to be that it has much more to do with women wearing revealing outfits than men wearing a traditional Scottish garment.
It might be the heavy-handed, hyperbolic moralizing that people find offensive--or amusing...
Mister McGoo

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9.27th August 12, 06:10 AM #9

Tobus
*** to CDNSushi's reply. This issue revolves completely around the issue of scantily-clad women, and has nothing whatsoever to do with tartan, kilts, Scottish culture, or anything like that. The community reaction would be the exact same if it were a Hooters. I can certainly see why folks would have opposing views on this, but I can't see why anyone would feel personally insulted by it.

And BTW, the Tilted Kilt servers do wear tartan bras, usually semi-covered by a white half-shirt that's tied low in front.

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10.27th August 12, 07:27 AM #10

sailortats
I grew up in Lowell and in those days Quincy was nowheres near as uptight as they appear to be in that article. Also, you see girls with a lot less coverage at the beaches these days than you do at a Tilted Kilt or Hooters restaurant. And I do resent the comments repeated in the article,made by someone, that the patrons are perverts and social deviants.
Creag an Sgaraibh

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Chas
I seems to me to be only fair that since Rev. John Culp and the Fort Square Presbyterian Church have eliminated poverty, hunger, drunkenness, bigotry, racism, all forms of discrimination in around Quincy (and managed to raise the general level of education and healthcare to the highest possible standard) that they should spend some time trying to eradicate scantily-clad women, who have not broken any laws.

Regards

Chas
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2.27th August 12, 08:17 AM #12

RAF
Fodder for pontificating. I can't even go there.
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3.27th August 12, 09:05 AM #13

Joe I
Originally Posted by Joe I
Sea Street resident Marianne McCormack wrote to city councilors to say an “Irish Hooters” is not in keeping with the $1.6 billion revitalization of Quincy Center.
Originally Posted by sailortats
And I do resent the comments repeated in the article,made by someone, that the patrons are perverts and social deviants.

This was Insulting.

I don't understand why they want to pick on this place every commercial on TV sells SEX. Why don't they just ban the local stations and cable co.?
Last edited by Joe I; 27th August 12 at 09:11 AM.
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4.27th August 12, 09:12 AM #14

ShaunMaxwell
Seems to me that the good people of Quincy should be free to determine their own community standards, even if folks elsewhere disagree.

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5.27th August 12, 09:17 AM #15

Joe I
Originally Posted by ShaunMaxwell
Seems to me that the good people of Quincy should be free to determine their own community standards, even if folks elsewhere disagree.
Thee problem I have with this is,that ppl never say make this law to stop me from doing this "blank" I should stop.

They always want to stop the other bloke FOR HIS OWN GOOD; when that person is not hurting them.
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6.27th August 12, 10:04 AM #16

Thomas H
Originally Posted by Joe I
Thee problem I have with this is,that ppl never say make this law to stop me from doing this "blank" I should stop.

They always want to stop the other bloke FOR HIS OWN GOOD; when that person is not hurting them.
WOW , And what does all this have to do with Kilts ?? This could get out of hand
Lets try and keep it about Kilts - not the other Thank you
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7.27th August 12, 10:10 AM #17

McClef
Salem is also in Massachusetts I believe.
Reverend Earl Trefor the Sublunary of Kesslington under Ox, Venerable Lord Trefor the Unhyphenated of Much Bottom, Sir Trefor the Corpulent of Leighton in the Bucket, Viscount Mcclef the Portable of Kirkby Overblow.

Cymru, Yr Alban, Iwerddon, Cernyw, Ynys Manau a Lydaw am byth! Yng Nghiltiau Ynghyd!
(Wales, Scotland, Ireland, Cornwall, Isle of Man and Brittany forever - united in the Kilts!)

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8.27th August 12, 10:26 AM #18

Chas
◦ Originally Posted by Thomas H
WOW , And what does all this have to do with Kilts ?? This could get out of hand
Lets try and keep it about Kilts - not the other Thank you
I agree Thomas, this could get out of hand - but the venue in question is called the Tilted Kilt. At basic level this is about perceptions and perceiving the kilt as something deviant and perverse. By extension, we all become deviants and perverts, just because we wear a kilt.

Rather than doing good, it is always far easier to talk about something bad. Until such time as I hear that there has been a community vote on this issue, I choose to believe that the Rev. John Culp has issues of his own that he needs to deal with first.

Regards

Chas
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9.27th August 12, 10:46 AM #19

Zardoz
If I lived around there and was looking forward to being a patron, I'd be a little insulted at being called a pervert and social deviant.
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10.27th August 12, 11:20 AM #20

Tobus
Did he actually call all potential patrons deviants and perverts? The way I interpret his comment, he's saying that a business which capitalizes on scantily-clad women could bring in those types of people, not that being a customer automatically makes a person perverted or sexually deviant. There's a big difference there.

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1.27th August 12, 11:56 AM #21

auld argonian
◦Note that I'm not a big fan of The Tilted Kilt but I'm sure that I'm not the only one on this forum who has been in places where the help has been attired even more scantily than the TK girls are. Upon reflection, that sort of thing is not my cup of tea BUT my solution is that I just don't go anywhere that I'm not comfortable. I do not run around making judgements or trying to legislate my perspective on things like this. Thus, I don't see what they locals' problem is and could care less. It's just a bar/restaurant...the waitresses wear costumes....life goes on.

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2.27th August 12, 12:01 PM #22

Peter Crowe
Originally Posted by McClef
Salem is also in Massachusetts I believe.
Indeed it is Trefor, one of the adjoining cities* to the city* where I live! My wife (and therefore my son) are descendents through her mother's side of one of the unfortunate women hanged for witchcraft in the 1690's (Martha Carrier). Salem today is a very busy tourist destination although there is a lot of kitsch tat that bears little resemblance to the actual historical events of the witchcraft trials of 1692. Reminds me of Edinburgh's Royal Mile in that regard.

As to this thread (and without wishing to cant or be po-faced about it) my concern is with those who own and operate the Tilted Kilt projecting an (incorrect) image of Scotland's national dress as something cheap and tacky to the uninformed.

* The status of city here is accorded to what would be considered a large town in Scotland.
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3.27th August 12, 12:14 PM #23

Thomas H
As to this thread (and without wishing to cant or be po-faced about it) my concern is with those who own and operate the Tilted Kilt projecting an (incorrect) image of Scotland's national dress as something cheap and tacky to the uninformed.[/QUOTE]

*** (Thank You )
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4.27th August 12, 12:15 PM #24

Taillear dubh
http://www.tiltedkilt.com/ for detail on the company.. MacHooters, it would appear.

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1.27th August 12, 12:53 PM #25

Mike_Oettle
Since the Tilted Kilt does not operate in my country I have no idea how it operates, so I don’t have a dog in this race.
But when a moralistic campaigner labels a pub with a tartan theme as an “Irish Hooters” she may or may not be right about the “Hooters” aspect but she’s dead wrong about the Irish angle.
For the record, Tilted Kilt has just registered its own tartan (having had it woven for a second time for staff uniforms) – you can see it at http://www.tartanregister.gov.uk/tar...aspx?ref=10682
I notice that it has the same colours, in the same order, as Royal Stewart, but the thread count has been adjusted so that the green and blue are narrow bands (two threads, I think) and the yellow and white on the black stripe are broader (the white on the red stripe is narrower).
It makes for an interesting variation.
Regards,
Mike
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2.27th August 12, 01:26 PM #26

paulhenry
◦ Originally Posted by Mike_Oettle
snip
For the record, Tilted Kilt has just registered its own tartan (having had it woven for a second time for staff uniforms) – you can see it at http://www.tartanregister.gov.uk/tar...aspx?ref=10682
I notice that it has the same colours, in the same order, as Royal Stewart, but the thread count has been adjusted so that the green and blue are narrow bands (two threads, I think) and the yellow and white on the black stripe are broader (the white on the red stripe is narrower).
It makes for an interesting variation.
Regards,
Mike
You must have missed this thread , with more info on the tartan and thoughts about it

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3.27th August 12, 03:47 PM #27

mookien
The key sentence in the article is, “Some of the issues are hard to get your hands around,”

I think that strikes nearest the heart of the matter.
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4.27th August 12, 05:20 PM #28

CDNSushi
Originally Posted by Thomas H
WOW , And what does all this have to do with Kilts ?? This could get out of hand
Lets try and keep it about Kilts - not the other Thank you
Indeed. Quite right, Thomas.

The nature of discussion for this forum are KILTS in the media -- not bars with the word "kilt" in them. This thread STARTED off-topic, and there really isn't much here in the way of comments that ISN'T either complaining about this particular church group wanting to shut down a bar, OR groups of people wishing to impose their sense of values or morals on others in general... While it may be discussion-worthy, it does seem to violate the rules.

Discussing how a community chooses to run its affairs, along with a church group lobbying to achieve their own purposes seems an awful lot like an unholy mix of religion AND local politics.

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Furthermore, this forum is for "Kilts in the media." As I mentioned before, this has nothing to do with kilts OR with kilts in the media. As such, another rule also comes into play:

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5.29th August 12, 04:13 AM #29

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It was determined that this thread is in violation of Rule 12 in the forum, “Kilts in the Media.” The moderators decided to re-open the thread in the Miscellaneous Forum.

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6.29th August 12, 10:03 PM #30

Ruanaidh
I noticed on the second page of the article there is a poll asking whether the restaurant should open in Quincy. As a right now it is 63% in favor of opening.
http://www.patriotledger.com/topstor...ilted-Kilt-pub
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1.29th August 12, 10:09 PM #31

flyrod6057
TK should open a restaurant in Olympia or Tacoma, WA. Only then will I be able to develop sufficient context to accurately weigh in on this issue.

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2.Yesterday, 12:42 AM #32

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Yeah one here in Wilmington, NC area, so I can see what the hubbub is!
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Originally Posted by Joe I
Yeah one here in Wilmington, NC area, so I can see what the hubbub is!
Y'know, having waitesses in mini-kilts is not all that unusual. Magoo's in Frederick MD and Park Lane Tavern in Fredericksburg, VA; places we have had kilt nights, have waitesses in minikilts.
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Originally Posted by flyrod6057
TK should open a restaurant in Olympia or Tacoma, WA. Only then will I be able to develop sufficient context to accurately weigh in on this issue.

I'll be here. Waiting. As long as it takes....
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Originally Posted by Geoff Withnell
Y'know, having waitesses in mini-kilts is not all that unusual. Magoo's in Frederick MD and Park Lane Tavern in Fredericksburg, VA; places we have had kilt nights, have waitesses in minikilts.
Absolutely right. A couple years ago my (now) wife tended bar at a place that had their female staff dress in minikilts. Wasn't even a celtic-themed restaurant--the management just had this crazy idea that the male patrons might enjoy it, and bring in other men who might, too.

I'd suggest going to every pub within a 40 mile radius and see if you can find cuties in kilts. Have a pint at each one, just for fun.
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An Irish pub in my town had its waitress start wearing mini-kilts recently. I tell you, the town went from being typical suburbia to looking like Hill Valley in Back to the Future during the dystopian future scenes!

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Originally Posted by Ruanaidh
I noticed on the second page of the article there is a poll asking whether the restaurant should open in Quincy. As a right now it is 63% in favor of opening.
http://www.patriotledger.com/topstor...ilted-Kilt-pub
My vote just brought it to 64%.
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Originally Posted by Joe I
Sea Street resident Marianne McCormack wrote to city councilors to say an “Irish Hooters” is not in keeping with the $1.6 billion revitalization of Quincy Center.

Im offended too!!! Doesn't she know it's a SCOTTISH Hooters!? ;)
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Originally Posted by Meggers
Im offended too!!! Doesn't she know it's a SCOTTISH Hooters!? ;)
That was my point! She didn't even know Scotish, not Irish.
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Originally Posted by Joe I
That was my point! She didn't even know Scotish, not Irish.
Apparently the Tilted Kilt people don't know the difference either. The one here in San Antonio is mostly full of Irish and English decorations. I only saw one item on the wall that referenced Scotland.

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That is becuase it has little to do with Scotland , just another way to drew people in.
If the ladys wore long dresses , the amount of people attending would be alot less.
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2.31st August 12, 05:53 AM #42

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I just voted too and it is now 64% for and 35% against. Not sure what the 1% think
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3.31st August 12, 07:10 AM #43

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Sorry, but what is the point of people who don't live anywhere neat this community voting?

Especially since the online polling, I take it, has nothing to do with the final decision in any case.
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we are just voicing our opinion. No harm done and I think we all realize it affects nothing in the end
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It is possible that some voting might visit at some point and patronise the establishment should it be available at that point.

The vote is not binding in any case though but still is an expression of opinion about how the community might be viewed by outsiders.

I would be more upset by folk getting the country most associated with the Kilt wrong myself.
Reverend Earl Trefor the Sublunary of Kesslington under Ox, Venerable Lord Trefor the Unhyphenated of Much Bottom, Sir Trefor the Corpulent of Leighton in the Bucket, Viscount Mcclef the Portable of Kirkby Overblow.

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The online poll is a moot point by now anyway. The board already reconsidered the issue and denied Tilted Kilt's permit.

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4.31st August 12, 10:59 AM #47

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My take from all of this is quite wise, if I don't say so myself: God gave us sex so that we could compare it to pork chops. That is all.

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Originally Posted by Tobus
The online poll is a moot point by now anyway. The board already reconsidered the issue and denied Tilted Kilt's permit.
Awesome
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6.31st August 12, 11:22 AM #49

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Originally Posted by Thomas H
Awesome
I think I speak for all fans of lady parts when I say: Take your dancing banana and be gone, Sir!

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You can not have one side of the story with out the other .
I just happen to favor the other ...So dance on banana Dance
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I give you my solemn vow. I will fight until my dying breath to rectify this injustice! It will not stand. Not in the America I believe in. You will have to pull those scantily clothed waitresses out of my cold, dead hands. Freedom! (to see half naked ladies!)

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Don't celebrate too much just yet, Thomas H. Tilted Kilt still has the option to appeal the ruling and go directly to the state's alcoholic beverage commission. And they may yet do that, considering the money they have already invested in this project (as well as the potential profits to be made). If they do, they may have a decent chance of getting this decision overturned since it seems to have been made on the grounds of the waitstaff's outfits rather than anything actually having to do with alcohol. If I understand it correctly, it was the liquor license that was denied, not their general business permit.

I do find it interesting that the law requiring notification (the one which prompted the board to reconvene on the matter) is heavily weighed in favour of a religious organization's ability to control the businesses around them. It requires any business within 500 feet of a church to prove that its business will not harm the church's affairs. How exactly does one do that? How do you prove a negative, especially when all it takes is one church member to say otherwise, and without any such burden of proof on the church? The wording of the requirement (if it is reported correctly) is pretty lopsided in favour of the church.

But, that's the beauty of the concept of States' Rights. Contrary to popular belief, the so-called "separation of church and state" only applies to our federal government. States (and their political subdivisions) were intended to have this autonomy. It is very rarely supported in the courts, but still...

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Originally Posted by castledangerous
I give you my solemn vow. I will fight until my dying breath to rectify this injustice! It will not stand. Not in the America I believe in. You will have to pull those scantily clothed waitresses out of my cold, dead hands. Freedom! (to see half naked ladies!)
"Would yuo trade all days from this day to that for one chance, JUST ONE CHANCE, to tell our enemies that they may take our lives..but they'll never take... SCANTLILY CLAD WAITRESSES!...TILTED KILTS...GU BRAAAAATH!"
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Originally Posted by Meggers
"Would yuo trade all days from this day to that for one chance, JUST ONE CHANCE, to tell our enemies that they may take our lives..but they'll never take... SCANTLILY CLAD WAITRESSES!...TILTED KILTS...GU BRAAAAATH!"
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The Funny thing about Freedom and rights are .. what one person calls freedom another may call boundage .. and knowing that we all have the right to like or dislike
things ,Is a great Freedom in it self.
even if the Tilted kilt opens or not - I really do not care -I just LOVE it when people
have to really have to stop and think is it worth it ???
And for a church to get people all railled up is great and Funny .
Just have fun with it , I know I did as I was LOL any way - funny
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If the pub is a slap in the face for this boy, then Christmas must be a kick in the goodies, with the Quincy Center all dolled up in pagan symbols!

And, yeah, it's funny when a religion gets its followers all riled up. History is replete with such hilarity.
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Some interesting insight, perhaps...


http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2...uys-are-gross/
Ua Mau Ke Ea O Ka Aina I Ka Pono
The Life of the Land is Perpetuated in Righteousness

e malama o ke aina, malama o ke kai

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Originally Posted by castledangerous
We are an army of two, Meggers, we cannot be stopped!
I will say that I am not nearly as excited about scantly clad waitresses as you probably are

Unless they look like this:



If so, then BRING ON THE FREEDOM!
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According to the Tilted Kilt web page under "History" is the statement, ...

"While the Tilted Kilt concept has its roots deep in the rousing tradition of Scottish, Irish and English Pubs ... Tilted Kilt was conceived to be a contemporary, Celtic-themed sports Pub staffed with beautiful servers in sexy plaid kilts and matching plaid bras."

That pretty much sums it up. They don't claim to be Scottish or historically authentic.

PS: The server in Meggers' picture violates the dress code.
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Originally Posted by castledangerous
We are an army of two, Meggers, we cannot be stopped!
Nah...count me in, too. I may not like seeing yer flatpack nineteen year old abs but I will defend to the death your right to flash then in order to get bigger tips.

Best

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Originally Posted by mookien
According to the Tilted Kilt web page under "History" is the statement, ...

"While the Tilted Kilt concept has its roots deep in the rousing tradition of Scottish, Irish and English Pubs ... Tilted Kilt was conceived to be a contemporary, Celtic-themed sports Pub staffed with beautiful servers in sexy plaid kilts and matching plaid bras."

That pretty much sums it up. They don't claim to be Scottish or historically authentic.

PS: The server in Meggers' picture violates the dress code.
Exactly ! That sums it up ! By the way Mookien , don't be upset with Meggers pic , I did give permission to use my picture , I was trying to show off my new sporran .
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Originally Posted by auld argonian
Nah...count me in, too. I may not like seeing yer flatpack nineteen year old abs but I will defend to the death your right to flash then in order to get bigger tips.

Best

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Come on, Meggers, that is a waiter, not a waitress. But nowadays people seem to want to call them all waitrons. Meaningless word.
The fear of the Lord is a fountain of life.
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Waitrons? new one on me. She likes what she likes I like what I like, the way it should be.
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Mike, maybe in your neck of the woods the word is now waitrons but here in "politically correct" to a fault, California, they are referred to as waitpersons
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Having worked in the restaurant business for what seems like 100 years, the pc word these days is "servers". Waitpersons will work, but I don't see it used much. Waitrons is a word sort of coined by waiters and waitresses themselves to indicate the following of strict rules and regulations of the establishment. Its not insulting to the servers, but rather to the management LOL.
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I always just called them nice people who take care of my need for food and beverage. I like to smile at them and tell them how much we appreciate them. A kind tip is also helpful.
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Originally Posted by LitTrog
And, yeah, it's funny when a religion gets its followers all riled up. History is replete with such hilarity.
I know, right? The Crusades give me the giggles!

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Originally Posted by Father Bill
I always just called them nice people who take care of my need for food and beverage. I like to smile at them and tell them how much we appreciate them. A kind tip is also helpful.
Indeed Bill! I dislike any of the terms posited whether PC or not! As to 'server' it sounds to me like another form of 'servant' (not in the sense of ministry) and is no less insulting to human dignity than the older gendered terms.
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Wi’ ribbon, lace and tape on;
Let kings an’ princes wear them a’ —
Gie me the Master’s apron!” (Bro. Robert Burns 1759-1796)

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Originally Posted by mookien

PS: The server in Meggers' picture violates the dress code.
tattle tail ;)


Originally Posted by Mike_Oettle
Come on, Meggers, that is a waiter, not a waitress. But nowadays people seem to want to call them all waitrons. Meaningless word.
Waitrons? That sounds way too sci-fi for me.
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Originally Posted by Meggers



Waitrons? That sounds way too sci-fi for me.
We could call them Servos. Or maybe just the ones who automatically sense when you need something--and then do something about it.

And why does your waiter look so anemic and petulant? Like he's just had it with whoever took his hemoglobin. And his shirt.
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Originally Posted by Father Bill
I always just called them nice people who take care of my need for food and beverage. I like to smile at them and tell them how much we appreciate them. A kind tip is also helpful.
My sentiments exactly. Or, putting it more precisely, ... ***
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Originally Posted by LitTrog
... And why does your waiter look so anemic and petulant? Like he's just had it with whoever took his hemoglobin. And his shirt.
... and his matching plaid bra.
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Originally Posted by mookien
... and his matching plaid bra.
That one is my fault...I took it.


Originally Posted by LitTrog
As a result of my independently undertaken session of heavy vetting, I discovered that the bras are tartan, also.

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That boy in Meggers's picture ain't even old enough to grow any hair on his chest. I'm surprised his mama let him pose like that.
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Meggers: Whats wrong with Sci-fi?
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Originally Posted by LitTrog

And why does your waiter look so anemic and petulant? Like he's just had it with whoever took his hemoglobin. And his shirt.
I mainly meant him from the neck down They didnt have any picturse of Joe Manganiello in a kilt so he had to do.


Originally Posted by Joe I
Meggers: Whats wrong with Sci-fi?

Meh. I'm more of a historical fantasy girl myself. Waitron sounds like space waitresses in big neon colored wigs and vinyl pointy shouldered serving dresses.
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I wouldn't call Harlequin Romances historical. Wink, wink.
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Originally Posted by Joe I
I wouldn't call Harlequin Romances historical. Wink, wink.
Step aside, Tolkien. Harlequin Romances are the only historical fantasies worth reading!

I felt blasphemous just typing that.
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Originally Posted by Meggers
Step aside, Tolkien. Harlequin Romances are the only historical fantasies worth reading!

I felt blasphemous just typing that.
The Hobbit coming to theaters soon!
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Originally Posted by Joe I
The Hobbit coming to theaters soon!
Ugh. I am still beyond annoyed that it's being made into a trilogy. Seriously? Seriously? Lets milk the LOTR franchise for all it's worth. Part of me doesnt even want to go see it now.

I was also a little bitter that Legolas and Galadriel are making appearances in the movie when they are nowhere to be found in the book (even though the elvenking of Mirkwood is Thranduil which is Legolas' dad so its possible he'd be hanging out there) until I realized that now I have someone I can dress up as when I go see the movie. lol. There are literally NO female characters in the entire Hobbit book. None. So I thought I was screwed dressing up as some dwarf.

Jackson makes beautiful movies so I cut him some slack on a lot of the character stuff but I was really honestly ticked about the trilogy thing. It's just unnecessary.
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I don't know why directors always have to mess up a favorite book when turning it into a movie, but they almost always do. I read a script for a movie of one of my favorite Heinlein books "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" I was so glad it was turned down.
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Sailortats wrote: “Mike, maybe in your neck of the woods the word is now waitrons but here in "politically correct" to a fault, California, they are referred to as waitpersons”

Waitpersons? Sounds like that odd word they use in the US for municipal councillors: councilman. Councillor is at least gender-neutral. Do you have female councilmen, or councilwomen?
I loathe the word waitron, but it is seen as the politically correct term to use in South Africa.

Meggers, it seems that you have missed out on Tom Bombadil, an important character in both The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings, who was left out of the LoTR trilogy. I imagine that part of the Hobbit trilogy will include at least some of Tom’s adventures, including his wooing of the lovely Goldberry (a female character, since you crave one).
Including Bombadil alone required extending the movie of The Hobbit, and since the LoTR trilogy left out other aspects, too, I imagine the new movie will fill in the gaps.
At any rate, I am looking forward to seeing it.
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Originally Posted by Meggers
Ugh. I am still beyond annoyed that it's being made into a trilogy. Seriously? Seriously? Lets milk the LOTR franchise for all it's worth. Part of me doesnt even want to go see it now. ...
As you probably know, the movie originally was to be made in two parts, but at the last minute it was decided that it would be a trilogy. When Jackson was asked why, he responded "to make more money". At least he was honest, or being funny, or both. In any case I believe the second film is due out a year after the first, and the third six months after the second. But, that's hearsay, so don't bet on it.

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Hi folks,

I pose a question to all.

Just how far does a thread have to go off the original topic, or off the chosen topic of this forum, before someone must step in a call enough?

This thread has just been reported yet again.

Until the staff have had a chance to log on and discuss this latest report I am moving this thread to the cooling off corner.
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