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                                                13th September 12, 10:30 AM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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	+ 1 Yes Sir you are right
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by creagdhubh   *** Pro 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
 
	
	
		
                        
                                
                                        
                                                13th September 12, 11:30 AM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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	And I see there is a picture of our Chief, Baron Niall Livingstone of Buchuil with his wife in front of him and it looks like is sister in the Argyll hose but I'm not sure.  Just enough of a difference that I can't tell.  I'm assuming she isn't.
		
			
			
				
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                                                13th September 12, 12:32 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					Keep in mind, folks, that what you're looking at are mostly (for lack of a better word) participants at the Gathering. Most of the folks you see at a Highland Games here in the States are spectators regardless of whether or not they are kilted. There are far more spectators in the backgrounds of these photos and I'd bet that they aren't nearly as dressed up as the people featured.
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                                                13th September 12, 01:29 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					Firstly, thanks to Kyle for snagging these wonderful photos from the Oban Times.
 
 
	
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by creagdhubh   ...Indeed.  And do you think any one of them were over-dressed  considering the contextual factors of the occasion?  I don't think so.
 
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					  Originally Posted by SlackerDrummer   Keep in mind, folks, that what you're looking at are mostly (for lack of a better word) participants at the Gathering. Most of the folks you see at a Highland Games here in the States are spectators regardless of whether or not they are kilted. There are far more spectators in the backgrounds of these photos and I'd bet that they aren't nearly as dressed up as the people featured. 
 To answer Kyle, I don't think anyone in these pics is overdressed, given the context. Could photo sets like these though, in some ways, be considered like a latter day "MacLeay's Highlanders"?
 
 I wonder what the spectators were wearing... how many of them were even wearing the kilt and, of those, how would their look have compared to the people in these photos i.e. participants in the games?
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                                                13th September 12, 04:29 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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	I eluded to this in an earlier post.   Some spectators, in which I have seen at the Argyllshire Gathering/Oban Games, are wearing the same style of Highland dress as the "participants," or regular clothes.  I have observed a sprinkling of gents wearing the kilt with a jumper and a collared shirt, and some even with a Scottish football jersey.  All of which are perfectly acceptable, "to each is own," right?  The purpose of this thread is really to highlight the more traditional manner of wearing Highland dress, but naturally, there's no right or wrong here.  I simply want everyone to enjoy the photos.
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by CMcG   I wonder what the spectators were wearing... how many of them were even wearing the kilt and, of those, how would their look have compared to the people in these photos i.e. participants in the games?  
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                                                13th September 12, 04:38 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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	Well, these photos do show spectators, rather than participants.  Most of the men shown here are Members of the Argyllshire Gathering, a social club established in the 19th century for local land-owners.s   They are participants only so far as they are in attendance, although a few of the pics do show members who are acting as stewards--volunteer helpers-- of the Gathering.  The Members and their family and guests hang out in an area called the Members' Enclosure.  The non-member spectators gather on the hill adjacent to the field, or in the grandstand.
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by CMcG   Firstly, thanks to Kyle for snagging these wonderful photos from the Oban Times.
 
 
 
 
 Good point, Kenneth.
 
 I wonder what the spectators were wearing... how many of them were even wearing the kilt and, of those, how would their look have compared to the people in these photos i.e. participants in the games?
 
 And Kenneth is correct: most of the non-member spectators aren't wearing the kilt.  Many are tourists, although most are locals.  Not too many of them wear the kilt to games.
 
	
	
		
                        
                                
                                        
                                                13th September 12, 04:44 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					  Originally Posted by SlackerDrummer   Keep in mind, folks, that what you're looking at are mostly (for lack of a better word) participants at the Gathering. Most of the folks you see at a Highland Games here in the States are spectators regardless of whether or not they are kilted. There are far more spectators in the backgrounds of these photos and I'd bet that they aren't nearly as dressed up as the people featured. 
 With all due respect...so?  This thread highlights the "participants" not the spectators.  For those of us here in the States who attend Highland games and gatherings and decide to wear Highland dress in whatever form, are we not participants of the event?  I certainly feel like I am participating by hosting a clan tent and speaking with various people, some of which may be wearing the kilt.  Shoot, I even feel like a participant if all I am doing is watching the athletic events and a friendly couple comes up to ask me about my tartan, or that "thing" hanging in front of my kilt.  Of course, this is simply my opinion on the matter.
 
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                                                13th September 12, 04:49 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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	Two of Bachuil's three sisters are in this photo; Deirdre is missing.
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by Livingston   And I see there is a picture of our Chief, Baron Niall Livingstone of Buchuil with his wife in front of him and it looks like is sister in the Argyll hose but I'm not sure.  Just enough of a difference that I can't tell.  I'm assuming she isn't. 
	
	
		
                        
                                
                                        
                                                13th September 12, 04:52 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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	Kyle, I see your point.  The pics show mostly Members, who are "participating" in their club's big event.  Quite right.  They are "spectators" by being there to watch the events and dancing and piping, etc.
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by creagdhubh   Kenneth,
 With all due respect...so?  This thread highlights the "participants" not the spectators.  For those of us here in the States who attend Highland games and gatherings and decide to wear Highland dress in whatever form, are we not participants of the event?  I certainly feel like I am participating by hosting a clan tent and speaking with various people, some of which may be wearing the kilt.  Shoot, I even feel like a participant if all I am doing is watching the athletic events and a friendly couple comes up to ask me about my tartan, or that "thing" hanging in front of my kilt.  Of course, this is simply my opinion on the matter.
 
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                                                13th September 12, 04:54 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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	I couldn't agree more, Sandy.  Most spectators at Highland games, or clan gatherings and rallies both here in the States and abroad in Scotland, are not wearing Highland dress.  And many are tourists, especially at various games.
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by JSFMACLJR   And Kenneth is correct: most of the non-member spectators aren't wearing the kilt.  Many are tourists, although most are locals.  Not too many of them wear the kilt to games. 
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