Ties

[Tobus]

In my world, you would be shot------well, metaphorically speaking anyway------for wearing a tie loosely knotted with the top shirt button undone! We either wear the tie properly and with the top button done up, or we don't wear a tie and have the top button undone.

Back on this subject, I'm sure it doesn't help that the trend I spoke of is done even by the most visible and important people in the US. With examples like these, clearly this is considered sartorially "acceptable" here (though some of us would disapprove). This is not intended as a political commentary (and I'm showing both sides for fairness). I'm just illustrating that even our "leaders" wear this style in public when they want to be seen as casual. Both these gentlemen are usually pretty snappy dressers, but don't have any qualms about unbuttoning the top button and loosening the tie, even in front of an audience or photographers.

[Jock Scot]

I mean no insult to anyone least of all the good citizens of the USA, but why not take a couple of seconds and just take the tie off? To quote an old headmaster of mine: "I don't care who you are, but when you are in my school you wear the tie properly ,or not at all, in certain circumstances and to do otherwise is just sloppy and uncouth." I remember the words exactly as I had to write those words out probably hundreds of times during my stay at that particular school . However from then on in life, it was no surprise to me that others, many others, were of the same opinion-----and right.

[frank_a]

Politics aside, these dudes running for Presidential office in the states are (I'm sure) trying to convey a "rolled-up-sleeves" kinda "I'm-a-hard-workin-dude" sorta thing. My highly paid boss does the same thing - I have never in all my years working here seen him with his top button buttoned when he has a tie on. Then it seems another adopted practice is gee, if I wear a sport coat, I don't need a tie. Pshaw. Maybe I'm an old fuddy dud, but I come to work in a shirt with the top button buttoned, a tie pulled up to my fat neck, a sport jacket, blazer or suit. And I've been doing that for going on 4 decades. While I tend to be a bit more "mixed up" in dress nowadays (such as Tobus suggests for kilt dressing), I still cannot fathom a top button unbuttoned with a tie!

Frank

[Tobus]

Yup, as Frank said, I think it's a distinctly American attempt to look important and meaningful, while also looking like you're a "common man". It seems to fail on both accounts in my opinion, but there it is. I agree that it's sloppy and uncouth. But here in the US, believe it or not, that is sometimes seen as a good thing, even in politics. Many folks flat-out reject the wearing of ties to begin with, as it would make them feel like they belong to a social class which they despise. And with all the recent social division between different economic groups (not only in politics, but in life), this phenomenon of wearing a tie sloppily seems to give them some sort of common ground. Not to mention the obvious fact that it's more comfortable, and American society has started to value comfort over decorum. Or at least that's the way I see it. I could be wrong.

[creagdhubh]

Yup, as Frank said, I think it's a distinctly American attempt to look important and meaningful, while also looking like you're a "common man". It seems to fail on both accounts in my opinion, but there it is. I agree that it's sloppy and uncouth. But here in the US, believe it or not, that is sometimes seen as a good thing, even in politics. Many folks flat-out reject the wearing of ties to begin with, as it would make them feel like they belong to a social class which they despise. And with all the recent social division between different economic groups (not only in politics, but in life), this phenomenon of wearing a tie sloppily seems to give them some sort of common ground. Not to mention the obvious fact that it's more comfortable, and American society has started to value comfort over decorum. Or at least that's the way I see it. I could be wrong.

I agree, Tobus! In regards to your concluding statement, your point couldn't be further from the truth. I see it all the time, so you are definitely not the only one, and you are definitely not wrong.

Kind regards,

[Peter Crowe]

I agree, Tobus! In regards to your concluding statement, your point couldn't be further from the truth. I see it all the time, so you are definitely not the only one, and you are definitely not wrong.

Kind regards,

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Sorry couldn't resist that one Kyle However, I agree with you about the concluding statement made by Tobus.

[creagdhubh]

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Sorry couldn't resist that one Kyle However, I agree with you about the concluding statement made by Tobus.

Hahahaha!!! No worries, Peter. I enjoy the "abuse."

[Downunder Kilt]

I mean no insult to anyone least of all the good citizens of the USA, but why not take a couple of seconds and just take the tie off? To quote an old headmaster of mine: "I don't care who you are, but when you are in my school you wear the tie properly ,or not at all, in certain circumstances and to do otherwise is just sloppy and uncouth." I remember the words exactly as I had to write those words out probably hundreds of times during my stay at that particular school . However from then on in life, it was no surprise to me that others, many others, were of the same opinion-----and right.

Jock you must of had my boys master, Mr Shortall, father as headmaster, as I fell foul of him for exaclty the same thing and suffered the same punishment

[frank_a]

Don't mind me, this is a test.

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Thanks Steve, the test worked!

And boy o boy, did I start this thread about ties? Gee!

Frank