I need some"jacket" advice for Burns night

[Stan]

Roger that.

[McElmurry]

If the event is USA formal OR semi-formal then a tweed kilt jacket is an option because it is a suit equivalent.

(I think I've got that right)

[Ozark Ridge Rider]

Not going to help you on short notice, but if this comes up again, you might order something like a Spenser Waistcoat, change the buttons to silver or pewter, and go with that pretty inexpensively.

I did that for years, and mostly the difference was my jacket did not have long tails like a PC.

[knotty]

Not to highjack the thread...

Is a black argyll jacket & vest with black long tie acceptable for "black tie"?

[Stan]

Probably so, I've looked at the photos from last years Burns night, and it looks (pretty much)like "trying" is seems to be as good as "doing". This is my first year to attend, and to be a member of the Scottish club of Tulsa.

[MacMillans son]

Probably so, I've looked at the photos from last years Burns night, and it looks (pretty much)like "trying" is seems to be as good as "doing". This is my first year to attend, and to be a member of the Scottish club of Tulsa.

I will respectfully disagree with your premise Stan, on the grounds that it takes us down the slippery slope that dilutes or diminishes our traditions. The invitation says "Black Tie" that is a very specific level of dress. It does not mean "black colored neck tie" or "the best dark colored jeans and a tie of some sort" What happens is just what you started with, I saw a picture of a person who was not dressed appropriately, according to the invitation, so they now define what is the acceptable level of dress. Then someone sees you dressed in a way not consistent with the invitation, and thinks as you did "ah good enough" and so on and so on. And unless the host has the gumption to turn people away at the door, pretty soon half the room is dressed in jeans and nice shirts (because they are cheaper and people may feel more comfortable in them) with a few people dressed according to the invitation. I think that if you don't have the items needed to go to the event according to the invitation, buy/rent them, if you don't have the money to buy or rent them, borrow them, if you can't borrow them, stay home. An option that is not available is to disrespect the hosts, or the event, and come dressed "good enough"

Now, does anyone have a ladder I can use to get off this soap box?

[Spartan Tartan]

Stan, are you attending a Burns supper in Tulsa, or the one down here in OKC?

[Stan]

I appreciate your feed back, and opinion.

[Jock Scot]

I will respectfully disagree with your premise Stan, on the grounds that it takes us down the slippery slope that dilutes or diminishes our traditions. The invitation says "Black Tie" that is a very specific level of dress. It does not mean "black colored neck tie" or "the best dark colored jeans and a tie of some sort" What happens is just what you started with, I saw a picture of a person who was not dressed appropriately, according to the invitation, so they now define what is the acceptable level of dress. Then someone sees you dressed in a way not consistent with the invitation, and thinks as you did "ah good enough" and so on and so on. And unless the host has the gumption to turn people away at the door, pretty soon half the room is dressed in jeans and nice shirts (because they are cheaper and people may feel more comfortable in them) with a few people dressed according to the invitation. I think that if you don't have the items needed to go to the event according to the invitation, buy/rent them, if you don't have the money to buy or rent them, borrow them, if you can't borrow them, stay home. An option that is not available is to disrespect the hosts, or the event, and come dressed "good enough"

Now, does anyone have a ladder I can use to get off this soap box?

Bravo!

[creagdhubh]

I will respectfully disagree with your premise Stan, on the grounds that it takes us down the slippery slope that dilutes or diminishes our traditions. The invitation says "Black Tie" that is a very specific level of dress. It does not mean "black colored neck tie" or "the best dark colored jeans and a tie of some sort" What happens is just what you started with, I saw a picture of a person who was not dressed appropriately, according to the invitation, so they now define what is the acceptable level of dress. Then someone sees you dressed in a way not consistent with the invitation, and thinks as you did "ah good enough" and so on and so on. And unless the host has the gumption to turn people away at the door, pretty soon half the room is dressed in jeans and nice shirts (because they are cheaper and people may feel more comfortable in them) with a few people dressed according to the invitation. I think that if you don't have the items needed to go to the event according to the invitation, buy/rent them, if you don't have the money to buy or rent them, borrow them, if you can't borrow them, stay home. An option that is not available is to disrespect the hosts, or the event, and come dressed "good enough"

Now, does anyone have a ladder I can use to get off this soap box?

Hear hear!