Tie with a Prince Charlie

[Tobus]

To me, that actually looks like a ruche or a different style of cravat.

Well, admittedly it's hard to tell in that photo. Here's another example from the show, and it looks for all the world like a regular necktie. Just worn with a (small) winged collar. I think it's a great look that probably wouldn't fly in regular society today, but could be just the thing for a unique event like a wedding. *shrug*

[mookien]

Well, there are a number of good points made here.

{followed by a whole lot of "..."}

... then I, personally would inform her that it's off, and run like hell the other direction.

I think Alan summarized it pretty well. Now it's up to Guaranga and his fiance to decide. Good luck. I hope you enjoy your marriage and the pictures of your wedding many years from now.

[bikercelt1]

I don't have a PC, but if I did I would only wear it with a bow tie. Show your intended some episodes of Matt Smith's version of Doctor Who. As he says, "Bow ties are cool!"

Jamie

[Llama]

Well, admittedly it's hard to tell in that photo. Here's another example from the show, and it looks for all the world like a regular necktie. Just worn with a (small) winged collar. I think it's a great look that probably wouldn't fly in regular society today, but could be just the thing for a unique event like a wedding. *shrug*

You're right. It might just be the pin right under the knot that makes it look like a cravat to me.

[artificer]

Well, I wasn't implying that it meant something would be wrong with the marriage itself! Just that it has happened many times, where people look back at what they were wearing and say, "man, what was I thinking?" It's understandable with fashion trends like the 1970s, but when someone is wearing something incorrectly or inappropriately for the event, that's different. Like white trainers with a tux, for an extreme example.

At least the OP had the good sense to ask here first so he'd know for sure whether it was appropriate or not. Now, armed with the answer, at least he can make an informed decision one way or the other.

But on this subject, I would offer a suggestion (and it would be interesting to hear what the rabble have to say about the idea). The usual choices seem to be either a PC with a bowtie, or an Argyll with a long tie. What about a different look that dresses up the Argyll a bit, without going to the level of the PC? One could still wear a long tie with the Argyll/waistcoat, but with a winged collar. I take the inspiration from Downton Abbey. Imagine this, as shown below, but worn with a black Argyll jacket. It hasn't been in style for about a hundred years, but so what? Might be a unique look for a wedding, especially if the bride doesn't like the looks of a bowtie. And it doesn't go to the extreme of a silly ruche tie, either.

Well, admittedly it's hard to tell in that photo. Here's another example from the show, and it looks for all the world like a regular necktie. Just worn with a (small) winged collar. I think it's a great look that probably wouldn't fly in regular society today, but could be just the thing for a unique event like a wedding. *shrug*

Just to toss this in.

Regarding the straight tie and a wing collar, you'll note that in every instance it's seen that the waistcoat is at least four, if not six, buttons high.

IMO the problem with a PC with a straight or ruche tie is that the accompanying waistcoat is cut far too low for the tie.

Would I do it? Not in a million years.

Should YOU do it? I cannot answer that, but you've made the effort of asking the forum what they thought- so you obviously care about doing 'the done thing' a bit.

That said, you don't have to kiss all of us goodnight and good morning every day for the rest of your life either.

If the bow tie (self tied only please) is an issue with your fiancee you might wish to explore the option of jackets that don't require a tie (Montrose or Sheriffmuir).

Congratulations on the upcoming nuptials.

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[Llama]

May I also add, if you do get a self-tie bowtie, make sure that it proportional to your frame and head. I'm a little disappointed in myself for having a tie at my wedding that was too small for my rather large noggin. Same problem if you're a thin bloke with a large tie, too.

Of course, I'll never be disappointed with my wedding photos, because I'm very good with Photoshop

[David Thorpe]

In a quick scan of the thread, I didn't see where you mentioned whether it is a day or night wedding. That makes a difference. If the ceremony will be in the daytime, the Prince Charlie, although worn often, is not traditionally the most appropriate choice. It is evening formal wear, at the bottom of that scale, as Chas pointed out.

[JSFMACLJR]

Mention has been made of wearing a detachable winged collar with an Argyll jacket and a long tie, but the "photograpic evidence" has thus far been limited to "Saxon dress". Here are two examples worn with the kilt. The style is very archaic, but hey--it might work today!

[rondo]

My 2 cents:
While not traditional I think the combination of a ruche tie, five button waistcoat, and a Prince Charlie looks smart. There is a pic floating around of Tobus wearing a long tie with a mess style coat [similar to a PC] that looks okay, but it is possible it looks okay because he is a more slender fellow [don't think I could pull off the look being a phat bistid]. With Saxon dress I have often worn a wing collar with long ties, its different. I have also worn Bolos in several combinations. One might also consider a silk or satin mandarin collared shirt without neck wear.

That being said, if you followed Chas's list and Jock's [among others] advice you can't go wrong.
Rondo

[TheOfficialBren]

Here's a wild suggestion. How about one of these?



Tie...not the rest of the outfit.