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16th February 13, 04:43 PM
#61
Alright, I have tried to explain another point of view and I don't intend to pursue the conversation, good night.
Last edited by Jock Scot; 17th February 13 at 03:00 AM.
Reason: Had some sleep and can't spell
" Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the adherence of idle minds and minor tyrants". Field Marshal Lord Slim.
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16th February 13, 06:36 PM
#62
I re-read my last post and realise how snarky I sounded. I apologise for getting a bit huffy about it.
The Official [BREN]
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16th February 13, 07:26 PM
#63
*Sigh!* 
Rev'd Father Bill White: Mostly retired Parish Priest & former Elementary Headmaster. Lover of God, dogs, most people, joy, tradition, humour & clarity. Legion Padre, theologian, teacher, philosopher, linguist, encourager of hearts & souls & a firm believer in dignity, decency, & duty. A proud Canadian Sinclair with solid Welsh and other heritage.
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16th February 13, 08:31 PM
#64
Your point of view is yours to have, but it's pretty prickly isn't it? I have several friends native to the UK who now live here, and I would never dream of telling them that they aren't and never will be Americans. It would be socially inept at best to do such a thing.
Further, I would never tell a person one or three generations removed from Nigeria that they could not wear Nigerian national dress to their prom if they liked. It would be culturally insensitive at best to do such a thing.
I get it; you're proud of being native Scottish and you like the special status you feel you get from it. Great! Enjoy it; but you should know that no one looks to you and wishes "oh, if ONLY my ancestors had never left! I could be just so awesome as to have Jock call me a True Scot!"
I think it's sad when this sort of elitist nonsense gets in the way of favorable interactions between two people, whether it's heritage or social class or economic viability - whatever. Think it all you want, but if you say it out loud, you single yourself out as someone unpleasant to be around - and if you really have that much contempt for Americans wearing kilts, then I honestly can say I don't get what attracts you to this forum, but, you know, whatever, your deal.
And FWIW folks, I've been lurking on these forums for much longer than I've been a member. I'm not "new" per se - I'm actually quite familiar with the personalities and quirks of conversation. I usually stay out of it, but since Jock targeted my comment... well... I'm a bit stubborn, you see. It's all that Scottish blood. :P
Last edited by MacFhearchair; 17th February 13 at 02:40 AM.
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16th February 13, 10:37 PM
#65
I want it noted that my question went unanswered - yet again. I have an opinion "why" that is.
Last edited by Domehead; 16th February 13 at 10:37 PM.
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17th February 13, 12:40 AM
#66
As a kilted citizen of the United States, with ancestors who were Swedish, German, Scottish, and American Indian, I can fully appreciate Jock's point. He, I believe, pointed to an important distinction between "heritage" and "nationality". I feel that is a distinction of some importance, however much it may be lost on some of us.
The kilt is a huge part of my family heritage. . . a heritage of which I am fiercely proud, but in my wildest, most fevered state, I would never pretend that it is my "national" dress.
Jock has never said I could not, or should not wear the kilt. All he has done is state that the kilt is not my national dress, and in that statement, he and I are in complete agreement.
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17th February 13, 12:56 AM
#67
 Originally Posted by Duke of Delrio
As a kilted citizen of the United States, with ancestors who were Swedish, German, Scottish, and American Indian, I can fully appreciate Jock's point. He, I believe, pointed to an important distinction between "heritage" and "nationality". I feel that is a distinction of some importance, however much it may be lost on some of us.
The kilt is a huge part of my family heritage. . . a heritage of which I am fiercely proud, but in my wildest, most fevered state, I would never pretend that it is my "national" dress.
Jock has never said I could not, or should not wear the kilt. All he has done is state that the kilt is not my national dress, and in that statement, he and I are in complete agreement.
Yes, exactly.
I don't have a problem with that sentiment at all. Now if I were to find out that, for example, the children of those emigrating from Scotland to the US were typically considered by those remaining in Scotland to be no longer family or kin, on the other hand. . .Well, that would be a sad thing indeed.
Last edited by Dale Seago; 17th February 13 at 12:57 AM.
"It's all the same to me, war or peace,
I'm killed in the war or hung during peace."
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17th February 13, 01:09 AM
#68
Look at the tangle we get into when we try to define "Scot" for sporting purposes
http://www.heraldscotland.com/mobile...ility.20037402
Alan
Last edited by neloon; 17th February 13 at 01:49 AM.
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17th February 13, 02:29 AM
#69
Originally Posted by Dale Seago
Yes, exactly.
I don't have a problem with that sentiment at all. Now if I were to find out that, for example, the children of those emigrating from Scotland to the US were typically considered by those remaining in Scotland to be no longer family or kin, on the other hand. . .Well, that would be a sad thing indeed.
Yes, that would be sad.
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17th February 13, 02:56 AM
#70
And I personally think, Jock, that you should be grateful to young folks such as this ***American*** who makes such a big deal of wanting to wear the national dress of your own native country, even though he's clearly just a flailing wannabe who thinks himself a Scotsman because he ... I don't know - has a last name or whatever.
Maybe if there were more wannabe Americans interested in speaking Scots Gaelic it wouldn't be on the verge of extinction. Just a thought.
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