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    No worries Kyle!

    It is really just a way to practice and get my skills up to speed.

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    Nice artwork, Harold. But I have no idea what would be appropriate for a fire service chaplain, so I will reserve comment on that score.
    The cartouche is chiefly used for clerical arms, rather than the lozenge, which is usually reserved for women. However, women nowadays often use the cartouche instead, or a shield like a male armiger.
    And in England, certainly, many clerics bear their arms on shields.
    A tradition that does pertain specifically to clerics is that they do not display a crest, and when some English clerics have obtained grants, they have had a crest granted in addition to their arms, so that their descendants may bear that crest.
    MoR is correct with regard to Anglican and Episcopalian bishops in their use of the mitre (a mitre also ensigns the arms of a diocese), but Roman Catholic bishops are now forbidden to ensign their arms with mitres, and must use an appropriately coloured and knotted galero (green for an ordinary bishop, red for a cardinal, and quite a few other variations).
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    Mike
    The fear of the Lord is a fountain of life.
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    Awesome , Harold great Job
    Pro 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike_Oettle View Post
    Nice artwork, Harold. But I have no idea what would be appropriate for a fire service chaplain, so I will reserve comment on that score.
    The cartouche is chiefly used for clerical arms, rather than the lozenge, which is usually reserved for women. However, women nowadays often use the cartouche instead, or a shield like a male armiger.
    And in England, certainly, many clerics bear their arms on shields.
    A tradition that does pertain specifically to clerics is that they do not display a crest, and when some English clerics have obtained grants, they have had a crest granted in addition to their arms, so that their descendants may bear that crest.
    MoR is correct with regard to Anglican and Episcopalian bishops in their use of the mitre (a mitre also ensigns the arms of a diocese), but Roman Catholic bishops are now forbidden to ensign their arms with mitres, and must use an appropriately coloured and knotted galero (green for an ordinary bishop, red for a cardinal, and quite a few other variations).
    Regards,
    Mike
    Having granted arms to several RC Bishops, I can tell you that this rule is more honoured in the breech than the keeping! When granting arms to clerics of a variety of denominations (including a Rabbi) crests were always given and were usually depicted on a helmet. I know that A.C.Fox-Davies (and other writers) took a contrary view, but then they weren't dealing with the modern clergy!
    [SIZE=1]and at EH6 7HW[/SIZE]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike_Oettle View Post
    Nice artwork, Harold. But I have no idea what would be appropriate for a fire service chaplain, so I will reserve comment on that score.
    The cartouche is chiefly used for clerical arms, rather than the lozenge, which is usually reserved for women. However, women nowadays often use the cartouche instead, or a shield like a male armiger.
    And in England, certainly, many clerics bear their arms on shields.
    A tradition that does pertain specifically to clerics is that they do not display a crest, and when some English clerics have obtained grants, they have had a crest granted in addition to their arms, so that their descendants may bear that crest.
    MoR is correct with regard to Anglican and Episcopalian bishops in their use of the mitre (a mitre also ensigns the arms of a diocese), but Roman Catholic bishops are now forbidden to ensign their arms with mitres, and must use an appropriately coloured and knotted galero (green for an ordinary bishop, red for a cardinal, and quite a few other variations).
    Regards,
    Mike
    Having granted arms to several RC Bishops, I can tell you that this rule is more honoured in the breech than the keeping! When granting arms to clerics of a variety of denominations (including a Rabbi) crests were always given and were usually depicted on a helmet. I know that A.C.Fox-Davies (and other writers) took a contrary view, but then they weren't dealing with the modern clergy!
    [SIZE=1]and at EH6 7HW[/SIZE]

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