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    Tying Traditional Garter Ties

    In the tutorial subforum, both of the videos in this thread (http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/f...er-ties-63565/) are no longer on youtube.

    I watched this video from Matt Newsome on tying garter ties, but mine aren't long enough to wrap around my calves like Matt demonstrates:


    How do you guys tie them?

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    I wrap the ties from the outside of the calf to the inside, overlap and back out to the outside. At this point I only (barely) have enough left to do an overhand knot, placing the ends downward and then adjusting the hose so that I show a modest amount of fringe. I wish they were an inch or two longer. However, once around would leave the ties way too long - wind socks as some would say!

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    Excellent! Thank you for posting.
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    I do it the same way as Johnthebiker with the same results.I've tried other ways but they didn't hold as well.
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    Ditto JohntheBiker and "cable scot". Sometimes, after tying the overhand "knot", I might take the longer fringed end and pass it once around the garter in the direction that reinforces the "knot". The optimal solution, of course, is to specify the ideal length of your garters to the vendor when ordering. Some vendors support that "customization".
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    Matt orders them a bit longer than the standard, and for most of us they easily go around twice.

    I discovered this when I got some shooting stockings with matching garters---they were shorter, and wouldn't make the round trip twice. With these, I make a loose square knot with the garter, and let the ends hang down. Or i sometimes just wear a different garter.
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    With traditional garters you might not have to "tie" them. Wool on wool creates a lot friction and this friction may eliminate the need to tie the garter. With some of my garters I loop the garter from the outside, around the inside, and back to the outside. I then wrap the garter ends around them selves and pass the end under the first loop. This will hold these garter for the day.

    Remember with traditional and even the elastic garters it is the "coke bottle" effect that holds hose up. Like the carnival game where you throw a ring over coke bottles the ring is just enough to go over the top of the bottle but does can not expand to go over the wider middle of the bottle.

    The garter is looped/tied above the part of the leg where the calf narrows below the knee. If the garter can not expand then it and the hose will not slip down the leg. The wool of the hose against the garter creates a lot of friction, then the wool of the garter wrapped around and under the garter creates more friction. On top of this is the wool fold-over of hose adds even more friction.

    As you walk throughout the day the area of the leg just below the knee does not expand and contract a lot. All together this means that you garters do not have to be tied tightly and can in some cases just looping the garter and passing the ends under the first loop creates all the friction needed to keep you garters ties and hose up through a full day and night of kilting.

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    Thank for all of the replies!

    My problem is that my traditional ties are either slightly too short, or my calves slightly too large for me to "wrap the ties from the outside of the calf to the inside, overlap and back out to the outside" as JohnTheBiker suggests. Currently I just start on the inside of my calf, wrap to the outside & square knot, then tuck the ends back under themselves a couple of times until I get the desired length. I suppose that's ok, I was just hoping there was a cleaner way to do it.

    I only have 1 pair of traditional ties today, in the future I'll absolutely try to order them longer. Thanks for the tip!

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    The ones stocked by the STM gift shop are made about 36 inches. I did not realize that they special-ordered them that way, until it came up in conversation here.
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    eclarkhb could you 1) loop the garter around it self (make a circle in the garter and wrap the end around the circle a couple of times, or, 2) cut the garter and add a section of cotton strap or even ribbon in the middle of the hose.

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