Jermaine Jackson Kilted Concert in Glasgow

[room2ndfloor]

[QUOTE=creagdhubh;1154173] .......... but Mr. Jackson isn't Scottish, of Scottish descent, of Highland heritage,....

I wouldn't be betting any folding money on that assertion. The matriarch of the Jackson brood was born in Barbour County, Alabama; home of former Governor George Wallace's family. Historically, many black Americans were natural relatives of the white families whose names they shared. There are thousands of black Americans bearing Scottish names. Surely you remember Louis Armstrong?

[TheOfficialBren]

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.......... but Mr. Jackson isn't Scottish, of Scottish descent, of Highland heritage,....

I wouldn't be betting any folding money on that assertion. The matriarch of the Jackson brood was born in Barbour County, Alabama; home of former Governor George Wallace's family. Historically, many black Americans were natural relatives of the white families whose names they shared. There are thousands of black Americans bearing Scottish names. Surely you remember Louis Armstrong?

DISCLAIMER: ONLY FOR HISTORICAL PURPOSES...NO CONTROVERSY INTENDED.

Most often, however, African-Americans who lived as slaves were given the surname of their master (regardless of the master's cultural or ethnic background--not all slave owners were white, not all slaves were black). It was a way of marking those whom they deemed to be property. Often slave masters did procreate with their slaves (though NOT the majority of the time). U.S. President Thomas Jefferson had illegitimate children with one of his female African-American slaves. They inherited their red hair from their father and a medium complexion from their mother's and father's complexion.


There was a movement in the US among some Black Americans to abandon names of European origin in favour of adopting names of African origin and in some cases Muslim names among Muslim converts who were at the far end of the spectrum. The reasoning there was to abandon Western influence as much as possible.

[room2ndfloor]

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Most often, however, African-Americans who lived as slaves were given the surname of their master (regardless of the master's cultural or ethnic background--not all slave owners were white, not all slaves were black). It was a way of marking those whom they deemed to be property. Often slave masters did procreate with their slaves (though NOT the majority of the time). U.S. President Thomas Jefferson had illegitimate children with one of his female African-American slaves. They inherited their red hair from their father and a medium complexion from their mother's and father's complexion.....

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This is veering off-topic, and I apologize. My original remark was intended just to challenge the assertion that Jermaine Jackson had no Scots heritage. Let some scholar such as Louis Gates research that family; I really do not know.

Genetics of red hair is a life-long interest of mine, and I have participated in some scientific studies about it. (Check my photos). Individuals with red hair can usually point to red-haired ancestors on both maternal and paternal sides. Your example of the red-haired children and grandchildren of Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemmings is overly simplistic. Since Sally's ancestry was about 75% white and 25% black African, it is likely that the red hair genes came from her as well as from Jefferson.

There are many untold stories of mixed-race families in what is now the USA, starting from around 1650 forward. Mixing of the races in America was much more complicated than the stereotype of the white master having children with his black slave women. For instance, from colonial times, white women also married free black men.

Many prominent southern families identified as white, despite known African ancestors. Among them are my relatives, the Gibsons of Virginia, South Carolina, and Louisiana. The most prominent person in the family was Randall Lee Gibson, former governor of Louisiana. There has been some research to connect both former presidents, William Clinton and Jimmy Carter, to this Gibson family.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...sonfamily.html

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...s/april25.html

[Flavia]

Tobus: maybe he was taking advantage of being in Scotland to wear something he normally wouldn't feel comfortable wearing, but really wanted to? (&, as for wearing lederhosen, or striped jersies & berets - well, duh! Would you wear any of that, even at gunpoint? Especially if you could wear a kilt, instead?). I'd like to think of it as a compliment, rather than an insult; we can judge by his overall behavior to see which one it is.

But the ruche tie is a very modern trend, & I've seen it with tux jackets worn with kilts.

[TheOfficialBren]

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Most often, however, African-Americans who lived as slaves were given the surname of their master (regardless of the master's cultural or ethnic background--not all slave owners were white, not all slaves were black). It was a way of marking those whom they deemed to be property. Often slave masters did procreate with their slaves (though NOT the majority of the time). U.S. President Thomas Jefferson had illegitimate children with one of his female African-American slaves. They inherited their red hair from their father and a medium complexion from their mother's and father's complexion.....

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This is veering off-topic, and I apologize. My original remark was intended just to challenge the assertion that Jermaine Jackson had no Scots heritage. Let some scholar such as Louis Gates research that family; I really do not know.

Genetics of red hair is a life-long interest of mine, and I have participated in some scientific studies about it. (Check my photos). Individuals with red hair can usually point to red-haired ancestors on both maternal and paternal sides. Your example of the red-haired children and grandchildren of Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemmings is overly simplistic. Since Sally's ancestry was about 75% white and 25% black African, it is likely that the red hair genes came from her as well as from Jefferson.

There are many untold stories of mixed-race families in what is now the USA, starting from around 1650 forward. Mixing of the races in America was much more complicated than the stereotype of the white master having children with his black slave women. For instance, from colonial times, white women also married free black men.

Many prominent southern families identified as white, despite known African ancestors. Among them are my relatives, the Gibsons of Virginia, South Carolina, and Louisiana. The most prominent person in the family was Randall Lee Gibson, former governor of Louisiana. There has been some research to connect both former presidents, William Clinton and Jimmy Carter, to this Gibson family.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...sonfamily.html

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...s/april25.html

Very true on all counts. I should have book-ended my previous post. I would wager than almost every American family who has been here for a few generations or more has experienced this. My own family is mostly of British stock on all sides but there is also a sizeable amount of Cherokee blood present, too. I can relate to what you are saying.

[BatlRatl]

On the pics alone, he looks good. At least he's wearing his outfit properly.