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    Quote Originally Posted by unixken View Post
    Those would be the miniatures that a few of us have described, above. See the brief summary that I posted in post #13 above, to see what your branch of service allows for the minis (though generally allowed on civilian clothing, your branch may offer additional restrictions (such as level of formality of dress. etc.)
    These aren't miniature medals (which I have for formal wear when requested) but just the ribbon.

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    Ah. Sorry about that. I mis-read your post. You are correct. The enameled lapel pins are not the same as mini-medals, and are ok for wear with civilian apparel.
    KEN CORMACK
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    U.S. Coast Guard, Retired
    Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio, USA

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    The post cited above by Unixken says "There is no federal law which describes the method of wearing military medals and decorations with civilian clothes. However, each of the military services have uniform regulations which cover this." The whole point of the original post is that "the Department of Veteran Affairs (VA) encourages all military veterans to wear their medals and decorations during Veterans Day (November 11th) and other patriotic holidays (such as Independence Day - July 4th, and Memorial Day - May 30th)..."

    Military regulations (including uniform regulations) are enforceable under the Uniform Code of Military Justice -- a completely different jurisdictional authority than civilian law. Once a person is "separated from service" by discharge (retirees and commissioned officers can be a special case) they are no longer subject to the UCMJ.

    There is, however a civilian federal law that might be applicable for at least certain kinds of military insignia: United States Code Title 18, Part I, Chapter 33, § 702 -- "Uniform of armed forces and Public Health Service: Whoever, in any place within the jurisdiction of the United States or in the Canal Zone, without authority, wears the uniform or a distinctive part thereof or anything similar to a distinctive part of the uniform of any of the armed forces of the United States, Public Health Service or any auxiliary of such, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both."

    So, does the Department of Veteran's Affairs statement of encouragement cited above provide the requisite "authority" without which one would be in violation of 18 USC I, 33,702? Moreover, do service medals and decorations constitute a "distinctive part of the uniform?" -- Probably not, neither do chevrons, bars, stars, leaves or birds, but the EGA of the Marines certainly does, as does the crossed anchor and caduceus of the U.S. Public Health Service or the cap badges of any of the commissioned officers of the various services. Hmmmm....????

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    Oh my goodness, I just realized that the U.S. Navy's enlisted (dixie cup) white hat is a "distinctive part of the uniform" (unlike those of the U.K. which most of the rest of the navies of the world have copied). So, if I wear my old white hat (yes, I still have one), will I be in violation of 18USC33, 702? Oh well, forget it, it would look (even more) ridiculous with a kilt!!!
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    For what it is worth...SAMS is a 'rankless' veterans association. Ribbons for day wear, but no rank insignia. IMHO rank insignia on civilian attire is tacky. Ribbons or medals, as appropriate to dress and occasion, are fine.

    "Once you can accept the universe as matter expanding into nothing that is something, wearing stripes with plaid comes easy." - Albert Einstein

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