Kingussie Pleating: Anyone have one?

**Liam** · 19th June 13, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by M. A. C. Newsome

It really has to do with the geometry of the pleats. With the central box pleat, you have two pleats meeting each other in the middle of the kilt. If you think about how the pleats look from the inside of the kilt, they point towards each other like this >><<.

It is a rule that the more fabric goes into the the kilt, the more pleats you will have, and the deeper those pleats will be. This means there will be lots of additional overlap on the inside of the pleats. If all the pleats were running in the same direction, that would be no problem. But with the Kingussie style, the flow of the pleats meet in the middle, and if the pleats run too deep you run into a problem. There is nowhere for the overlapping fabric to go.

My experience has shown that this style of kilt works out best when you use less than six yards of cloth. The historic Kingussie style kilts (both of them that we know of so far!) were made with closer to four yards of cloth. So using lower yardage is more in keeping with the traditional style, anyway.

I'm curious... would this be the same for a "reverse" Kingussie?

**TheOfficialBren** · 19th June 13, 02:37 PM

Ah! Thank you very much, Matt. That explains that.

Liam, I'm also curious about Rev-K's. Don't the pleats look like this? <<<<=>>>>

**sydnie7** · 19th June 13, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by Liam

I'm curious... would this be the same for a "reverse" Kingussie?

No, with the reverse structure you have two knife pleats facing each other at center rear. Within reason any yardage is possible.

**Liam** · 20th June 13, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by sydnie7

No, with the reverse structure you have two knife pleats facing each other at center rear. Within reason any yardage is possible.

Thanks, that was what I thought....

**gwynng** · 20th June 13, 07:11 PM

Interesting...I just obtained 2 yards of double wide tartan at a bargain price on eBay. (can't beat 13.00 and still has the tag from the UK sale) i think it is saxony rather than worsted but has the same hand weight as my 13 oz kilts. Not a great selvage so will need to hem it. The original intention was to use it for my first attempt at a box pleat kilt.

Here's my question for the experienced kit makers. Is 4 yards (2 yards double wide) enough to make a Kingussie or should I stick to a box pleat? My waist is 35" and seat is 41.

**M. A. C. Newsome** · 21st June 13, 04:20 AM

You can make a Kingussie style kilt from that amount, as well.

**TheOfficialBren** · 24th June 13, 04:41 PM

Matt, I read up on some rather old posts that you used to do 8-yarders and prefer nothing more than 6-yards now. With that said, do you ever make exceptions to the standard styles on your site? For example (just an example) would you do a 6-yard Reverse Kingussie? One more question (slightly off topic): are your 6-yard box pleats the same thing as the pleating style sometimes called "military box pleats" or are they the standard box pleats made smaller?

Thank you, sir. I'm thinking about plans for a new kilt and want to shop around and know my options.

**LitTrog** · 24th June 13, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by TheOfficialBren

One more question (slightly off topic): are your 6-yard box pleats the same thing as the pleating style sometimes called "military box pleats" or are they the standard box pleats made smaller?

Take a look at this thread, it will (or will not) answer your questions about the MBP. Enjoy.

http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/f...-rabble-74467/