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2nd October 13, 03:18 AM
#11
I think that for some people being rude to 'Others' is how (they tell themselves) they are restoring their own society and their importance within it.
I'd guess that no matter what your visitor saw she would have found some way to show you just how rude she could be and get away with it.
I'd have asked if she'd like a drink of squash or some milk and biscuits whilst I got some coffee for the grown-ups.
But then, I'm a grandma - don't mess with the grandmas.
Anne the Pleater :ootd:
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2nd October 13, 09:04 AM
#12
My usual response to someone who suggests that I am wearing a "skirt" is to smile and ask the rhetorical question "Do you know why it is called a kilt?" and respond, again with a smile "It is because that's what happens to those who call it a skirt, they get 'kilt'." If this doesn't illicit at least a smile from the other, then they really are worth bothering with.
Slainte...Bill
"Good judgement comes from experience, and experience
well, that comes from poor judgement."
A. A. Milne
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2nd October 13, 10:45 AM
#13
 Originally Posted by tripleblessed
Many, probably more accurately most, indigenous peoples of whatever continent had a name for themselves. In their own language, this typically meant "people", or "The People". By definition, anyone else was NOT PEOPLE. If you aren't people, you have no heritage or religion and therefore are open to whatever use People choose to make of you. Many were reasonably friendly, some were not. Remembering that we're all cousins can get us beyond such limited thinking. Much anthropology was written from an outsider's viewpoint, and the subtleties of the languages was often not understood by the writers. Also, in some cases these details were not translated by those not wishing to appear as bigoted as they actually were. That was then. Now we can do it differently.
Richrail, if I may add a little to what tripleblessed has said above, and I'm sure RiverKilt (Ron) might add to this also......Do not judge a whole race ( Indigenous, Tribal People ) by the actions of a single person. I may note here that it appears you were smartly dressed in your attire, from your description, and have nothing to worry about there. Well done. When the person in question made her comments, they were her own belief concerning the gardening methods you were using, a different method than what has been used on this continent for tens of thousands of years. Her method of delivery was probably rude and I for one am not excusing that in the least, but as I was not there I cannot have a strong opinion on that. I believe you showed restraint, and in doing so proved that you are indeed a credit to your family.
Some Indigenous People of this continent, continue to live " with " our neighbors from different races with mutual respect and attempt to live everyday with as much honor as we can. That doesn't mean we are outspoken all the time, it just means we choose when and where to continue to fight for our right ( verbally and otherwise ) to exist as one would say, a People. Sometimes things are lost in translation ( remember English is a foreign language ).
I like your your saying, heard sometimes as, Keep Calm and Carry On. 
Please do not use this one incident as a condemnation of all Indigenous Peoples.
Hawk
Shawnee / Anishinabe and Clan Colquhoun
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3rd October 13, 08:23 PM
#14
Bravo, and well said.......I live in Oklahoma and when asked about any kilting that I may be doing, my normal response is "I'm of Scottish decent, and I like wearing a kilt because it's a tribal"...Every one (here) understands, and simple smiles, and nods in consent, and understanding.
Last edited by Stan; 3rd October 13 at 08:28 PM.
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6th October 13, 07:44 AM
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In this opinion, "naturally angry" people find "creative ways" to become hair-trigger angry about even obtuse things, let alone those currently relevant.
Furthermore, the more angry the person, the more likely they are to act / strike out at others because they choose not to contain their anger, but rather make goofs of themselves, expressing their life-discontent by targeting the context of the current situation.
Her coming to your home and then demeaning things as divergent as the owner's garment and horticulture...
...reminds this writer of an auld colloquialism; "This woman really had a case of the a**."
Be glad her grafitti and vandalism on your property was verbal rather than visual.
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6th October 13, 11:31 AM
#16
Any comment on my part would be pale by what Hawk said. I can/would not apologize for this woman said as it is on her.
Our peoples at one time long ago were very well receiving of others eg. spruce/cedar teas to help the French with scurvy or with sharing food as in Thanksgiving with the Pilgrims as a few example.
It does not excuse disrespectful behavior ever. I am sure that she is very angry/resentful/jealous and in her own spirit in a much worse place than Richrail feels being disrespected in his abode.
As far as our self identity as the People it is common enough for all of us It is (spelling will vary) ongweongwe (the people),
hodeneshone (people of the long house), kahienkehaga (peolpe of the flint).
Again I, we commiserate with Richrail, and offer when we next meet a sup of liquid sunshine.
Hi Hoke tah
Saru mo ki kara ochiru
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7th October 13, 02:22 AM
#17
 Originally Posted by aonghas
I can/would not apologize for this woman said as it is on her.
Very much to the point. We all are/were indigenous somewhere. As we move further from tribal groupings
and commingle, lines get blurred, creating a "dominant culture". To one attempting to maintain oneness with
roots, and residing in/among a "dominant culture", it may be difficult to see other ways as acceptable. As to
our education, it is incumbent on each of us to learn to hold to what we choose while allowing others the dignity
of making their own, possibly different choices. A good thing to learn is that judging others against our own
choices is fruitless; harsh judging engenders anger toward others. Our anger may be difficult for those who
encounter it, but it is immensely more damaging to us, in the negative effects on our health. Sometimes when
hit with these blasts I remember my youth and respond in kind. Mostly (I hope), I attempt better. I might ask
if they are all right; it might be they are just having a bad day and need to vent somewhere. In those cases,
it becomes easy to say would you feel better talking about it? Does this somehow connect with a time or event
where they felt slighted/hurt? Or would more information be helpful? Sometimes it is actually as simple as someone
being habituated to anger _ their own choice. Blessings on us all, most of us have been there sometime.
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8th October 13, 12:41 AM
#18
The fact that she saw fit to criticize everything in sight leads me to believe her ethnicity was not an issue. She was just being flat out rude and ignorant of everything beyond the scope of her tiny little world. Some people are like that. Kinda like a slinky. Not good for anything, but fun to push down the stairs.
I wish I believed in reincarnation. Where's Charles Martel when you need him?
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8th October 13, 11:46 PM
#19
 Originally Posted by ohiopiper
(snippet) Kinda like a slinky. Not good for anything, but fun to push down the stairs.

Lmao!!!!
This. Is. So. Hilarious!
I must borrow this.
The Official [BREN]
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9th October 13, 12:40 AM
#20
Feel free. It did not originate with me, either. I cannot recall where or when I first heard that myself.
I wish I believed in reincarnation. Where's Charles Martel when you need him?
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