Argyle & Sutherland stripe tie on Ebay??

[OC Richard]

I don't know what to make of this necktie on Ebay

http://www.ebay.com/itm/CLASSIC-Robe...p2056016.l4276

For one thing, Robert Talbot can't spell 'Argyll'?

For another, the stripes are going the wrong way.

Third, that pattern looks nothing like the neckties worn by the Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders of Scotland.

Now, I have the Ben Silver catalogue in front of me and they do have a tie in that pattern listed as "1st Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders" (R35A) but also the tie I think of as being the Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders likewise listed as "1st Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders" (R35).

What is the story? Is R35A the old pre-1881 93rd Highlanders? The 91st Highlanders? The Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders of Canada?

[Tobus]

Interesting. The label looks exactly like one that I bought a few years ago, also by Robert Talbot (and also spelled "Argyle"). Actually, I found three ties (at Nordstrom Rack, on the "clearance" table) that had similar labels. They are all pseudo-regimental/university stripe ties, all with the stripes going the wrong direction. But I liked them well enough to buy them anyway, since I'm a sucker for ties.

The one labeled "Argyle & Sutherland Highlanders" is on the left, and is closer to the actual regimental stripe pattern that I usually see.

I'm thinking that Robert Talbot just makes fashionable ties that are meant to look like the real thing while not actually being the real thing. They are made for a market where people either don't know or don't care about accuracy.

[JohntheBiker]

Or want a regimental looking tie that doesn't cross the line and suggest that you actually have a connection to the regiment.

[WillowEstate]

The direction of the stripes may just be down to the UK - USA dichotomy; they are usually striped in opposite directions and depending from which side of the Atlantic you hale, one or the other is striped the wrong way. As to which is correct in this case, I leave to the military historians among us - or Jock!

[Jock Scot]

The direction of the stripes may just be down to the UK - USA dichotomy; they are usually striped in opposite directions and depending from which side of the Atlantic you hale, one or the other is striped the wrong way. As to which is correct in this case, I leave to the military historians among us - or Jock!

I have not seen that version(as in the first post) of an A&S Highlanders tie either, but it might possibly have a Canadian connection, but I really don't know. Its actually not an unattractive tie.

As to the diagonal stripes on Regimental, old school, club, university ties and the trans-Atlantic differences, I really cannot say, but from my observations and a certain amount of first hand knowledge, I note.

As we observe a tie being worn, or, on show, most British Regimental style tie stripes do go from (the observers) RIGHT side high, to LEFT side low. There are notable exceptions such as the Royal Marines, Royal Air Force and the Intelligence Corps, to name but three, whose stripes go LEFT high to RIGHT low.

I know even less about how American tie stripes generally go, but I do note that the universities of Princeton, Vanderbilt, Harvard, Pensylvania, Cornell, Columbia and 101 Airborne all have their respective tie stripes going from RIGHT high to LEFT low.

[OC Richard]

Jock, at ordinary men's shops here, back years ago, 100% of the ties went the way opposite of the British way.

British ties always stood out from American ties for that reason.

I remember being in a men's shop in Japan and purchasing a very British-looking tie because I'd never seen such for sale here. I'm wearing it in my avatar.

My impression is that it started to change with Bill Clinton, who would shop in London, and sport British ties.

Nowadays one might see perhaps 5% of the ties at an ordinary American men's shop going the British way.

In my opinion British ties always look better with the kilt.

[English Bloke]

I've not seen this A&SH variant either.

Edit: I was going to add, nor is it available through the A&SH museum shop... but then I got distracted by the rather smashin' Regimental Sgian Dubh

Not that I would... but it's still a beaut!!

[ASinclair]

Striped ties are one thing, but I agree with English Bloke, that is one nice Sgian Dubh. ith:

[MacLowlife]

Many of us can't decide how to spell Argyle / Argyll. For instance, the socks tend to have an "e" while other more Scots objects tend not to, as is the case with the Duke. Robert Talbott ties are generally pretty nice and they would usually get something like this (the pattern) correct. Since Ben Silver does not have a reverse lookup for tie patterns, we may never know whether this is or isn't some variant A&SH tie.

Someone once remarked that there are more A&S regimental ties in Connecticut alone than in the entire regiment. The Lord only knows which way their stripes run. I was told the orientation of the stripes comes from whether the ties are cut out with the fabric right side up or upside down.

I wonder how long we can discuss this without getting into the whole "Why would you wear that shirt, I know you never played for ther Raiders?" discussion

[MarkEvv]

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I know even less about how American tie stripes generally go, but I do note that the universities of Princeton, Vanderbilt, Harvard, Pensylvania, Cornell, Columbia and 101 Airborne all have their respective tie stripes going from RIGHT high to LEFT low.

I'm fortunate to have degrees from both Vanderbilt and Cornell and I even have a Vanderbilt tie (in black and gold) that I bought from the bookstore. However, the diagonal stripes are LEFT high to RIGHT low. That said, it's not like we had a standard issue tie that was handed to us with our diplomas or that we were required to wear for functions. Just a quick look on the internet shows diagonal stripes of both varieties (stripes, if you will!). As I did my graduate degrees at Cornell, I seem to have less Cornell paraphernalia so can't really comment first-hand on standard issue ties from Ithaca.