Security check at LAX airport

[orionpyoung]

There is a small similarity between the two definitions. The sporran is always associated with the kilt and never called a handbag. The purse is also associated with women and kilts are traditionally menswear. If you were to wear a sporran with trousers, then I would agree with you.

"sporran (/ˈspɒrən/; Scottish Gaelic for "purse")"

[Downunder Kilt]

In the interest of internationally knowing of what is meant by a purse. In Australia, and generally in British english, a purse carries your money and cards and goes into a handbag, much like a mans wallet. In American english, a purse is a handbag. I have never encountered a mans wallet or a womens purse being classified as a piece of luggage in its own right.

[Grouse Claw]

Would it be heresy to suggest that if we want to avoid trouble in this messy world we choose to wear the trousers in airports? And in the scale of the universe would it matter, just this once? Those who wear the sporran may die by the sporran.

[PodKiDo]

Yes, heresy.

[PodKiDo]

The US is a nation of many cultures, peoples, and diversity using a broad stroke as representative falls short.

I will leave it there.

I agree that it falls short, but the perception is still held by many.

[Deirachel]

I disagree with you. Mainly because I very rarely wear some sort of coat. That makes a sporran a necessity when someone not wearing a utility kilt.

No.

You are choosing to have your kilt made without pockets. Steve Ashton, famously, has the options of hidden side pockets even in his Dress models. Click the Freedom Kilt button in the top ad and select "Model" and you'll see a beautiful XMarks tartan kilt with the side-pockets (note the left picture: he's got his right hand in a pocket.) I doubt any of the kilt-makers advertising on this forum would have a difficulty in adding a pocket to your custom order. For those that do, I suspect, they would just refer you to one who would.

I (and others) are not saying you shouldn't wear your sporran when flying. But, as Jock_Scot put it, "Know the consequences". By the strict interpretation of the rules from the FAA, TSA, and airlines, a sporran is a carry-on bag (the "personal item"). Therefore, if you don't want to have problems arising from wearing a sporran, having a briefcase, and a small luggage bag, have a backup plan if they tell you you can't have it because it's more than the 1+1 rule. Sushi's answer is the simplest (have space in your carry-on luggage or other personal item to put the sporran into).

And, of course, don't be a boor and shoot the messenger. The TSA agent, Gate Agent, et al. are just doing their job. They have to enforce the rules set down by others. Don't assume they even agree with the rule or aren't culturally aware.

[Geoff Withnell]

I really don't see the problem. I have flown many times in a kilt with a sporran. Unbuckle it, drop belt and sporran in the bin going through the xray. Stow it under the seat in the plane, just like any other purse. Never had an issue. I respectfully submit if you need a sporran AND a briefcase AND a carryon during your flight, you may be over loading just a tad? Lots of women's clothing doesn't have pockets either.

No.

You are choosing to have your kilt made without pockets. Steve Ashton, famously, has the options of hidden side pockets even in his Dress models. Click the Freedom Kilt button in the top ad and select "Model" and you'll see a beautiful XMarks tartan kilt with the side-pockets (note the left picture: he's got his right hand in a pocket.) I doubt any of the kilt-makers advertising on this forum would have a difficulty in adding a pocket to your custom order. For those that do, I suspect, they would just refer you to one who would.

I (and others) are not saying you shouldn't wear your sporran when flying. But, as Jock_Scot put it, "Know the consequences". By the strict interpretation of the rules from the FAA, TSA, and airlines, a sporran is a carry-on bag (the "personal item"). Therefore, if you don't want to have problems arising from wearing a sporran, having a briefcase, and a small luggage bag, have a backup plan if they tell you you can't have it because it's more than the 1+1 rule. Sushi's answer is the simplest (have space in your carry-on luggage or other personal item to put the sporran into).

And, of course, don't be a boor and shoot the messenger. The TSA agent, Gate Agent, et al. are just doing their job. They have to enforce the rules set down by others. Don't assume they even agree with the rule or aren't culturally aware.

[MacCathail]

I wonder what the OP's ticket agent would've made of my old hair sporran currently hanging in the closet. Whatever the Gaelic definition of sporran might be, as a purse it's dead useless. It doesn't open. It has neither pocket nor flap. You couldn't even slip your driver's license into it. It's a single piece of leather with the horse hair and the cantle attached to it. So: is my old hair sporran still a piece of carry-on luggage?

As a practical matter, I don't really have a dog in this fight. I have flown in the kilt in pre-9/11 days. (Nobody was even bothered about the sgian dubh in those days.) But it wasn't comfortable; I wouldn't do it again whatever the regulations might be. I really don't find long car trips in the kilt to be very comfortable either, although I still do that -- it's usually too much of a nuisance to change at the destination to make the additional comfort of a trousered trip worth while.

Now, if you want to talk about dancing, or walking, or hiking. . .na bach leis an truibhas.

Cheers,

-John-

[tpa]

I have flown in the kilt in pre-9/11 days. (Nobody was even bothered about the sgian dubh in those days.) But it wasn't comfortable; I wouldn't do it again whatever the regulations might be. I really don't find long car trips in the kilt to be very comfortable either, although I still do that -- it's usually too much of a nuisance to change at the destination to make the additional comfort of a trousered trip worth while.

And I choose to wear my kilt because I find it more comfortable both for air and motor travel! Each to their own.

[Deirachel]

I respectfully submit if you need a sporran AND a briefcase AND a carryon during your flight, you may be over loading just a tad? Lots of women's clothing doesn't have pockets either.

And, that's the point (at least where the rules are concerned).