Forbes or Lamont?

[OC Richard]

This Ebay listing is obviously not what it says it is, Black Watch.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=271483773461

Beyond having the white line there is the matter of the double lines in the blue ground not alternating, the 'double track' thing.

I looked up both of the tartans which came to mind, Forbes and Lamont. Neither exactly fit this kilt.

In The Setts Of The Scottish Tartans there is a Forbes (58) and a Lamont (86) which have the Black Watch double-track, and a Forbes (59) which lacks the double-track (as our Ebay kilt does) but has the white line edged in black. This kilt has very fine black lines not actually edging the white, but separated from the white by a bit of green.

The author does state that the presence or lack of black reinforcing lines to light stripes can vary from example to example of the same tartan.

Is this merely one of those vagaries, or is this another tartan altogether?

[BCAC]

This Ebay listing is obviously not what it says it is, Black Watch.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=271483773461

Beyond having the white line there is the matter of the double lines in the blue ground not alternating, the 'double track' thing.

I looked up both of the tartans which came to mind, Forbes and Lamont. Neither exactly fit this kilt.

In The Setts Of The Scottish Tartans there is a Forbes (58) and a Lamont (86) which have the Black Watch double-track, and a Forbes (59) which lacks the double-track (as our Ebay kilt does) but has the white line edged in black. This kilt has very fine black lines not actually edging the white, but separated from the white by a bit of green.

The author does state that the presence or lack of black reinforcing lines to light stripes can vary from example to example of the same tartan.

Is this merely one of those vagaries, or is this another tartan altogether?

I don't know (as you said, definately not BW). A wool kilt for $4.99? Smells fishy.

[figheadair]

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[figheadair]

Found it in my Db. It's HOE's Dress Watch, a 2003 sett 'Introduced as a fashion tartan by the House of Edgar to provide a photogenic pattern similar to the Black Watch.'

[OC Richard]

Found it in my Db. It's HOE's Dress Watch, a 2003 sett 'Introduced as a fashion tartan by the House of Edgar to provide a photogenic pattern similar to the Black Watch.'

Thanks!

But why would HOE "invent" a tartan that's nearly exactly like Forbes (#59) the only difference being a tiny smidge of green between the white and its reinforcing black lines? Why not just do a run of Forbes?

[figheadair]

Thanks!

But why would HOE "invent" a tartan that's nearly exactly like Forbes (#59) the only difference being a tiny smidge of green between the white and its reinforcing black lines? Why not just do a run of Forbes?

So they can claim copyright, something they do this with all their tartans. It's not so much about the pattern but about being able to claim the name and so gain commercial advantage.

[OC Richard]

Wow.

Hey I have a great idea! I've just come up with a great concept for a new fashion tartan! I'll call it "Golden Black Watch" and it will be the Black Watch tartan with a yellow stripe centered in the green.

[figheadair]

Wow.

Hey I have a great idea! I've just come up with a great concept for a new fashion tartan! I'll call it "Golden Black Watch" and it will be the Black Watch tartan with a yellow stripe centered in the green.

I think that one may have been done before.........