Black watch coarse kilt ?

[figheadair]

so the only real difference between what I have and the links above is the thin blue pin stripe threw the middle of the blocks other then that its the same .

And the black guards to the fine stripes in the Coarse Kilt setting.


Coarse Kilt vs. Flower of Scotland

[Tobus]

It appears that Flower of Scotland also has a narrow blue border (guards?) outside the black stripes, separating the black from the green. The Coarse Kilt sett doesn't have this.

[figheadair]

It appears that Flower of Scotland also has a narrow blue border (guards?) outside the black stripes, separating the black from the green. The Coarse Kilt sett doesn't have this.

You are correct. In fact, the FoS setting is closer (allowing for the colour of the red overstripe) to the MacKay/Gunn group of setts.

[TheOfficialBren]

It reminds me of this one.

[Pleater]

something kept nagging me about the kilt - and the penny dropped - the military kilts of today are pleated to the stripe and that one is to the sett.

I do like the tartan, the colours are lighter than the Black Watch fabrics I have seen and I think they are very pleasing to the eye.

Anne the Pleater :ootd:

[BCAC]

so the only real difference between what I have and the links above is the thin blue pin stripe threw the middle of the blocks other then that its the same .

My bolding. Norbo, to my mind your statement "other than that it's the same" means that it's different.

[Norbo]

Indeed. As ive been looking at the kilts it seems some are very alike only a very small difference. such as the same tartan in every way but with just 1 pin stripe difference.

[figheadair]

Indeed. As ive been looking at the kilts it seems some are very alike only a very small difference. such as the same tartan in every way but with just 1 pin stripe difference.

No, that is not the case.

Coarse Kilt - Red stripe centred on each ground colour (FoS has alternating red and green stripes).

Coarse Kilt - Black guards to the both pivot stripes (FoS has none).

Coarse Kilt - No fine stripe between the green and black blocks (FoS has a fine green line).

So, same tartan in every way but for 4 differences rather than 1 pin stripe.

[davidlpope]

Indeed. As ive been looking at the kilts it seems some are very alike only a very small difference. such as the same tartan in every way but with just 1 pin stripe difference.

Small differences matter a lot, though, when it comes to tartan. Consider Campbell v. Gordon v. MacKenzie v. Hunting Robertson v. Forbes v. Lamont...

Also, to my knowledge the FoS trtan is always woven in the lighter shades pictured. This makes sense, though, since it's really a fashion tartan. In this way it's very similar to the Isle of Skye tartan.

[OC Richard]

Any truth to the oft-repeated statement that from the Black Watch's adoption of the philabeg in the mid-18th century (as a sort of fatigue or working dress) up until the abolishment of the philamore, the philabeg had the red line, while the philamore didn't? It would make sense if the red-line version was 'coarse'.

This late 18th century painting, done from life, by one of the most famous portaitists of the time (John Singleton Copley), clearly shows the tartan of the philamore being what we would call Black Watch, complete with the 'double track' line system



About Flower of Scotland, it was quite the rage in the 1990s. It was the #1 kilt hire tartan for a while, and they made it in silk for wedding dresses, and so forth. A large number of pipe bands both in the UK and overseas adopted it.

I played for a couple years in a pipe band that wore it. The problem we ran into was that many people had trouble distinguishing it from Gunn (ancient colours). We ordered our kilts, as I recall, straight from Lochcarron and sometimes they would send a Gunn kilt instead of a Flower of Scotland kilt.