Full mask sporrans revisited...

[creagdhubh]

Some very nice pics there, Kyle! Thanks for posting them.

No worries! I know how much we (the rabble) all appreciate visual examples!

[CMcG]

This cartoon appears to show a long hair sporran, but it would be even funnier with a full mask

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[artificer]

This cartoon appears to show a long hair sporran, but it would be even funnier with a full mask

That is hilarious, and it would be even better with a full mask.

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[creagdhubh]

Hahahaha! Cheers, Colin!

[Nathan]

This cartoon appears to show a long hair sporran, but it would be even funnier with a full mask

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"Ach noo, Lassie. He's full, but loves the attention an' does nae mind at all when strangers pet him."

[BCAC]

That's gorgeous, mate! Kate, yet again, did an outstanding job. Did you go with the military style v-gusset, or the full pouch? It appears from the photo that the leather on the reverse side is black, correct? Well done.

It's a full pouch Kyle and yes, black. It's stunning.

[Nathan]

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I really hope you post a photo or two of yourself wearing your handsome new sporran!

[BCAC]

I really hope you post a photo or two of yourself wearing your handsome new sporran!

It will be done, Nathan. Patience.

I take this opportunity to make a remark about your post concerning the "nationality" of my daughter. The French Laws are such. She was registered in the British Embassy and the French town hall at her birth. At the age of 18 she had to choose which one that she wanted . She chose French. You say that she will not be considered 100% pure French? Considered by whom? She has a French passport, French ID card, all the nationality papers that any French person has and in her day to day life no one bothers about it. Scottish-French doesn't exist.

[Nathan]

It will be done, Nathan. Patience.

I take this opportunity to make a remark about your post concerning the "nationality" of my daughter. The French Laws are such. She was registered in the British Embassy and the French town hall at her birth. At the age of 18 she had to choose which one that she wanted . She chose French. You say that she will not be considered 100% pure French? Considered by whom? She has a French passport, French ID card, all the nationality papers that any French person has and in her day to day life no one bothers about it. Scottish-French doesn't exist.

I'm glad you're going to post photos and I shall be patient.

I'm not sure we're going to agree but to answer your question of "Considered by whom?" I wondered how French she is considered by the ethnic French, of course. 100%? 50%? Has anyone ever called her "Ecossaise"?

I wasn't disputing her citizenship status, nor would I suggest that she isn't French nor that most other French people wouldn't view her has their fellow citizen. I'm just saying that reference is made to ethic minorities in France in the media and that many face challenges.

I used that fact to illustrate the idea, that regardless of civic and legal status, one's ethnic origin is a fact of life and people do draw these distinctions because they are culturally significant.

When Nicolas Sarkozy was running for election, the international media continuously mentioned his Hungarian and Greek-Jewish ethnicity and whether it would be a factor. Plenty of articles about David MacAllister, the German politician, mention that he's the son of a Scot and that it's a real coup the way the Germans have accepted him as one of their own. They also wonder if he'll hit a glass ceiling because of his name and the fact that he's not an ethnic German.

A local example. A few years ago, my parents were helping my brother move into a new flat in Toronto. One of the delivery men from the furniture store had a noticeable Glaswegian accent. They told him they were Nova Scotians called MacDonald and had Scottish background and asked him what his name was. His response was, "Are ya ready for this? Rodriguez! I'm actually a Spaniard from Glasgow. My father immigrated when he was a lad."

Notwithstanding the fact that the man was a Scot, he obviously knew that his Spanish background was not typical and was comfortable enough to call himself a Spaniard.

The idea that your passport is the only thing that defines your ethnic/National identity is untenable and I'm not sure why an obviously intelligent person would feel the need to defend such an obviously flawed premise. Clearly, there's a lot in a name.

[Manxstralian]

I used that fact to illustrate the idea, that regardless of civic and legal status, one's ethnic origin is a fact of life and people do draw these distinctions because they are culturally significant.

When Nicolas Sarkozy was running for election, the international media continuously mentioned his Hungarian and Greek-Jewish ethnicity and whether it would be a factor. Plenty of articles about David MacAllister, the German politician, mention that he's the son of a Scot and that it's a real coup the way the Germans have accepted him as one of their own. They also wonder if he'll hit a glass ceiling because of his name and the fact that he's not an ethnic German.

A local example. A few years ago, my parents were helping my brother move into a new flat in Toronto. One of the delivery men from the furniture store had a noticeable Glaswegian accent. They told him they were Nova Scotians called MacDonald and had Scottish background and asked him what his name was. His response was, "Are ya ready for this? Rodriguez! I'm actually a Spaniard from Glasgow. My father immigrated when he was a lad."

Notwithstanding the fact that the man was a Scot, he obviously knew that his Spanish background was not typical and was comfortable enough to call himself a Spaniard.

The idea that your passport is the only thing that defines your ethnic/National identity is untenable and I'm not sure why an obviously intelligent person would feel the need to defend such an obviously flawed premise. Clearly, there's a lot in a name.

I think we are looking at it too narrowly. As George Orwell said "That is the penalty of leaving your native land. It means transferring your roots into shallower soil.".
A European in Europe would surely still feel a connection to the land, and therefore the issue of "Nationality" in the narrower sense which we are discussing has less importance, we colonials are in an abstract sense "displaced" from the history and landscape which informs our genetic code (hence Australia's skin cancer rates), social mores (language, food, even sports), and social identity. This can be seen across Australian society where immigrant communities gather.
For example, Carlton is the "Italian" district in Melbourne. Almost everyone in the area was born in Australia, but if you were to ask them what they were, they'd all respond "Italian", with the hyphenation "-Australian" being seen as unnecessary. Same with the Irish, Greek, Macedonian, Turkish, etc, etc, communities.

It seems to me that ethnic differentiation is far more important for those of European descent living outside of Europe because of the sense of displacement from the "Homeland". Just my opinion, of course, but I can't see that BCAC is "defending an obviously flawed premise", as much as the premise doesn't relate to him. I also find that premise vaguely offensive, but you and I, Nathan, are coming from a position that he also can't understand. I've been thinking about this a lot recently, and I feel that there's an explanation just out of reach, but as we are all dealing with an emotional concept, I don't think it's possible to have the objectivity to grasp it.

Cheers,

Cameron