Who actually OWNS a Scottish hand-sewn?

**Jimmy Carbomb** · 4th October 04, 08:30 AM

It's GREAT to see relative newbies to the board that actually own and appreciate the differences in the modern "kilts" and the real traditionals!

AGAIN...

This thread is primarily for those that do not own a REAL TRADITIONAL. It's an information base for them to read, and consider the differences. Just because a kilt company says that it's "traditional" does NOT mean that it is. Look for the specs that everyone's stating, look for the sway, look for the quality, look for the uniformity, and look at the overall presentation. THAT's a "Traditional".

Thanks guys! You've helped to make this thread a GREAT informational piece!!! Now... if only some folks would read and absorb it!

**Jimmy Carbomb** · 4th October 04, 09:06 AM

Let me also reiterate, that this is a message board and a kilted community... NOT A ROADSIDE BILLBOARD.

If any kiltmakers would like to get their products out and seen by this community, then please PAY HANK THE MEAGER ADVERTISING DUES... SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY, AND BUY AN AD.

Answering questions is more than fine, as all kiltmakers are encouraged to do just that. In fact, we like to examine and critique kilts... but on OUR terms. Thanks.

**bubba** · 4th October 04, 03:34 PM

When I tossed out my thoughts on the catagories I had traditional style in mind for this one. However, if it's got to be narrowed doen to a particular fabric sewn a particular way in a particular place we're talking way out of my price range which essentially means this catagory isn't for me and I won't bother reading it. Probably a few others in the same boat. By the developing definition I could make one identical to any of them but not being made by a Scottish kiltmaker means it isn't traditional. It think it's beginning to head for a bit too narrow a definition.

**zeytoun** · 4th October 04, 04:35 PM

It all comes down to how it is decided to divide the forums, and what we mean when we use the word "traditional".

One thing to note is that even the high-end highlander wear stores call their hand sewn, 4-yard, wool kilts "casual kilts".

Perhaps it is the names of the two forums, one being "traditional" and the other being "contemporary/non-traditional" that sparks the problem.

We could change the name of the "traditional" forum to "tartan kilts",
or we could have three kilt forums: "contemporary/non-traditional" (referring to solids and camo-kilts), "traditional" (meaning totally traditional), and something like "tartan casuals" (referring to tartan kilts that are not ultra-traditional, i.e. wool breacan's and pv kilts)

**macwilkin** · 4th October 04, 06:42 PM

We could change the name of the "traditional" forum to "tartan kilts",
or we could have three kilt forums: "contemporary/non-traditional" (referring to solids and camo-kilts)

Hmm...what about Saffron Irish Kilts, Hodden Grey (for the London Scottish) and Tweed kilts -- all three have been around for some time, the first two since the mid 19th century at least.

These three should not be lumped in with "contemporary" kilts because of their history.
Just my opinion.

Cheers,

T.

**zeytoun** · 5th October 04, 12:22 AM

Originally Posted by episcopalscot

Hmm...what about Saffron Irish Kilts, Hodden Grey (for the London Scottish) and Tweed kilts -- all three have been around for some time, the first two since the mid 19th century at least.

These three should not be lumped in with "contemporary" kilts because of their history.
Just my opinion.

Hadn't thought of those. Good point. It also seems to me that the deeper point you subtly make is that in order to divide our forums into rigid categories, we would have to come to agreement on what exactly defines each style. Look at us. Fat chance. And having more specific rules for which kilts are allowed in which forum probably wouldn't solve potential misinformation; only being outspoken about our individual opinions of and experiences with different kiltmakers will.

**Jimmy Carbomb** · 5th October 04, 09:53 AM

The way that the Grand Poobah has it layed-out right now is pretty darned good.

Traditional: we know what that is, and it's a GREAT place for the hard-core kilt wearer to get informed, experienced and straight-up information from those who KNOW what it is.

Contemporary: is where the modern kilts can go. Sure the discussions here will be heavy, and that's MORE than fine! It's a broad category that will lend itself to debate, discussion and numerous kiltmaker comparisons. That's a good thing!

I personally like the idea of a "conservative" traditional thread, and a "liberal" contemporary thread. That could even include threads in tradional wear, and contemporary wear from those with the experience. That "experience" factor means more to me than anything!

**Casey** · 8th October 04, 05:22 AM

I DO! My tank arrived yesterday, and tank is the word for it.

What a machine. Nothing like anything else I have including my 4yd 13oz tradition cut.

Of course I had to wear it immediately and who do you think I would run into at the video store but a fellow who plays in a pipe band.

Casey

**Jimmy Carbomb** · 8th October 04, 08:15 AM

Come to the "tank" side Casey!

Glad you made it over! NOW, can you understand the difference that we're trying to convey? It's very difficult to explain the weight, sway, quality and feel to someone that only knows the thinner and lighter stuff. That's why I started calling them a "tank". That's the easiest description to understand in the comparison.

Take care of that tank, and it will run for a long time! 8)