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8th September 14, 04:22 AM
#201
Originally Posted by Elizabeth
The filming is all done in Scotland. The interior scenes are filmed in a huge old factory that has been converted into the stages. Bear McCreary is doing all the music.
Edited to add, here is a bit about the pipes half way down this post.
http://www.bearmccreary.com/#blog/bl...der-sassenach/
Cool.
I'm sure the music is recorded here (Hollywood) because that's where Bear and all the musicians he uses are based.
Now, I've worked for Bear, performed with his group (as a sub for his usual piper Eric Rigler) and he's a cool guy and very innovative and daring with his use of ethnic instruments, however this bit in his blog is not correct:
Uilleann pipes hail from Ireland, and date back to a few decades later than Outlander‘s era... I’m fudging geography and history a little by including them, but its not inconceivable that highlanders of this era might have had access to Irish instruments. Furthermore, doing so opened up a world of musical possibilities for my compositions that I wasn’t willing to exclude merely for the sake of extreme accuracy.
There are a couple different errors here. One is the dating; uilleann pipes were well established and widely played throughout the 18th century, and in fact are quite appropriate to "Outlander's era". They were played well back into the 17th century.
The other error is thinking of the uilleann pipes as an "Irish" instrument. True that since the mid-19th century the uilleann pipes have been regarded in Ireland as "Ireland's contribution to the bagpipe" and the "only true unique Irish instrument" etc but this is not, actually, correct.
The centres of early Union Pipe production (the Union Pipe was the instrument's original and true name; 'uilleann' was invented by late 19th century Irish revivalists) were Edinburgh, Aberdeen, and London. (The makers in London were displaced Scots BTW.)
Far from being a 'folk instrument' the Union Pipe was devised and made by sophisticated urban instrument makers for the playing of the then-popular "pastoral music" by gentlemen and professional musicians.
So the use of the so-called uilleann pipes is doubly fitting for Outlander, both in time and in place.
Then we come to a particularly interesting observation by Bear, who as a composer has had to come to grips with the fact that bagpipes have drones. Most composers' answer is to have the piper shut off his drones, but Bear is rather actively thinking about them
I would argue the harmonic language of Scottish music derives from chords that sound pleasing against a drone. Scottish folk musicians were clever in writing around their drones. To maximize harmonic possibilities, Scottish drones frequently sustain on the “V” of the scale, not the tonic as one would intuitively expect. This allows one to harmonize the most frequently used chords, “I,” “IV,” “V” and “VI,” and still avoid clashing minor seconds against the drone. I believe this is why many Scottish folk melodies end on the “V,” instead of the tonic. This is just my theory, but it makes sense to me that the physical properties of these instruments would have a direct impact on the harmonic and melodic content composers from the region came up with.
I read something a number of years ago about the 'aha!' moment some musicologists had when trying to comprehend the Mediaeval use of drones in vocal music. They couldn't make the drone work in the way they were expecting, which was for the drone to always play the tonic. They finally realised that the same drone was providing the underpinning for songs in two different keys, the drone being the tonic of neither! Just as it so often works in Highland pipe music.
But I will quibble a bit with him saying "many Scottish folk melodies end on the V" because in a lifetime of exposure to Scottish pipe, fiddle, and vocal music I find this to be rather rare. It seems more common than it really is because two of the most well-known Scottish melodies do in fact begin and end on the 5th of the scale, Skye Boat Song and Scots Wha Hae.
This is to be distinguished from Highland pipers playing tunes of completely ordinary structure and tonality using the chanter's 4th as the tonic (the most well-known example being Amazing Grace) in which indeed the drone is playing the melody's 5th.
In any case the mixed use on the soundtrack of Outlander of the Great Highland Bagpipes, Union (uilleann) Pipes, and Scottish Smallpipes is absolutely authentic to the period and correctly reflects the musical situation in 18th century Scotland. Professional pipers of that time period commonly played all three instruments, oftentimes at the same performance.
Last edited by OC Richard; 9th September 14 at 04:29 AM.
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8th September 14, 05:11 AM
#202
Originally Posted by Dale Seago
I'm totally enjoying the series, having been a fan of the books for ages. I found episodes 3 and 5 particularly powerful and evocative.
I agree, Dale. Especially Episode 5: "Rent."
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8th September 14, 04:19 PM
#203
Hi everyone,
I am the costume designer on Outlander, and have visited this site many times while doing kilt research. Just saying hello and good work! Glad so many of you are enjoying the show.
Those are French military boots. Jamie and the other Highlanders served in the French military. We would have LOVED to have actors running around barefoot, but unfortunately the practicality of shooting in the dead of winter, at night, made this impossible. Ghillie shoes would gave been very difficult as well. We came up with the next best thing. Shoes on period shows are the bane of every costume designers nightmare.
Anyway, keep up the kilt love!
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8th September 14, 05:13 PM
#204
Thanks for the input, Terry, and welcome to Xmarks!
If you haven't seen it yet, there's another thread specifically on wardrobe, language, and other elements of the show here:
http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/f...anguage-85690/
I assure you we're pretty aware of the near impossibility, and certain impracticality, of getting everything "absolutely right", so I hope the observations won't be taken personally by anyone. I for one am a longtime fan of the books and am loving the show!
"It's all the same to me, war or peace,
I'm killed in the war or hung during peace."
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8th September 14, 05:24 PM
#205
Originally Posted by terry dresbach
Hi everyone,
I am the costume designer on Outlander, and have visited this site many times while doing kilt research. Just saying hello and good work! Glad so many of you are enjoying the show.
Those are French military boots. Jamie and the other Highlanders served in the French military. We would have LOVED to have actors running around barefoot, but unfortunately the practicality of shooting in the dead of winter, at night, made this impossible. Ghillie shoes would gave been very difficult as well. We came up with the next best thing. Shoes on period shows are the bane of every costume designers nightmare.
Anyway, keep up the kilt love!
So nice of you to join in. Welcome! I posted a link to your blog in the other thread about costuming so folks could see and read.
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8th September 14, 05:50 PM
#206
Originally Posted by terry dresbach
Hi everyone,
I am the costume designer on Outlander, and have visited this site many times while doing kilt research. Just saying hello and good work! Glad so many of you are enjoying the show.
Those are French military boots. Jamie and the other Highlanders served in the French military. We would have LOVED to have actors running around barefoot, but unfortunately the practicality of shooting in the dead of winter, at night, made this impossible. Ghillie shoes would gave been very difficult as well. We came up with the next best thing. Shoes on period shows are the bane of every costume designers nightmare.
Anyway, keep up the kilt love!
Terry, thank you so much for taking the time to join us on this forum.
I imagine trying to keep clothing period-correct is a challenge, when operating within a time and financial budget.
XmarkstheScot being a kilt forum, the members have a tendency to be a bit OCD about their favorite topic. I think you have done a great job. I am really enjoying the show. Living in Canada I have only seen the first three episodes -- certainly looking forward to all the rest.
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8th September 14, 07:22 PM
#207
Thank you so much for that Terry.
Glen McGuire
A Life Lived in Fear, Is a Life Half Lived.
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9th September 14, 07:21 AM
#208
Welcome aboard, Terry!
Cheers,
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9th September 14, 02:39 PM
#209
A warm Scottish welcome from middle England, Terry. My wife will be fascinated to read about the costumes on your site.
Last edited by tpa; 9th September 14 at 02:41 PM.
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13th September 14, 05:46 PM
#210
Originally Posted by terry dresbach
Hi everyone,
I am the costume designer on Outlander, and have visited this site many times while doing kilt research. Just saying hello and good work! Glad so many of you are enjoying the show.
Those are French military boots. Jamie and the other Highlanders served in the French military. We would have LOVED to have actors running around barefoot, but unfortunately the practicality of shooting in the dead of winter, at night, made this impossible. Ghillie shoes would gave been very difficult as well. We came up with the next best thing. Shoes on period shows are the bane of every costume designers nightmare.
Anyway, keep up the kilt love!
thanks, Terry! I just watched all 5 podcasts! Great job...loved the narration!
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