Lochcarron Culloden Ancient/ Has anyone had a kilt made in this tartan?

**ScottishStuart** · 20th October 14, 04:53 AM

Originally Posted by thehighlands4me

In the process of choosing the tartan for my new kilt. 11 swatches on order from Lochcarron, 16 oz. Strome. Culloden Ancient is one of the tartans being seriously considered, and may even be the front runner...

Looking through the Lochcarron catalogue and on their website I can't seem to find the 16oz Strome Ancient Culloden, only the 10oz Reiver and 13oz Braeriach versions of the tartan. I was just wondering if it was Lochcarron you were getting the tartan swatches from or if it was another supplier?

**OC Richard** · 20th October 14, 05:29 AM

This?

Odd how the colours got changed to purple and yellow!

Here's a thread about a run of tartan in the original colours

http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/f...-tartan-42843/

**figheadair** · 20th October 14, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by Jock Scot

I hesitate to pursue this Peter, but is there any actual proof of a connection to either Culloden as a place, or the battle itself? Are we, perhaps, talking hearsay here?

The coat is definitely contemporary with the battle but as I can't trace its provinance before c1850 I think it fair to say it's hearsay based on current knowledge.

Originally Posted by OC Richard

This?

Odd how the colours got changed to purple and yellow!

It's not the only pattern in Stewart's book that is way off. The so called Plaid from Culloden is another that he rendered in blue, red and yellow but which the surviving examples prove was red, blue, black and green. See my paper on it, and also the one of the MacDonald of Kingsburgh which also first appeared in his Old & Rare. It rather calls into question Stewart's whole claim about authenticity of the patterns he included.

**Jock Scot** · 20th October 14, 10:17 PM

Thank you Peter.

**figheadair** · 21st October 14, 03:07 AM

Jock, I've just revised the paper in light of your question.

**Pleater** · 21st October 14, 03:42 AM

I used to have a lot of problems with a technician who - it turned out - was colour blind.

It was fun when he brought along things he was working on and they were just way off with the colours - he'd never been tested or questioned about possible problems. The whole department was tested in the end and there were a couple of men with different colour recognition problems.

Some people really do see colours differently and cannot differentiate between what to others are very different colours.

Anne the Pleater :ootd:

**Mike_Oettle** · 21st October 14, 11:56 AM

I also wondered about the Ancient Culloden that TheHighlands4me was referring to, and was unable to find it on either the Scotweb or Lochcarron websites, although Scotweb lists a Munro Culloden (Ancient Colours).
I can understand the desire to wear a tartan associated with Culloden, but I bow to the superior knowledge of our experts, notably Figheadair.
It did strike me, though that our friend might do well to look closer to home, since there are two tartans associated with his home state. Firstly there is States of Carolina, which has been approved by the legislatures of both states. And then there is also South Carolina which, although unofficial, is a pleasant-looking sett in blues.
Regards,
Mike

**thehighlands4me** · 13th November 14, 12:14 AM

I also wondered about the Ancient Culloden that TheHighlands4me was referring to, and was unable to find it on either the Scotweb or Lochcarron websites, although Scotweb lists a Munro Culloden (Ancient Colours).
I can understand the desire to wear a tartan associated with Culloden, but I bow to the superior knowledge of our experts, notably Figheadair.
It did strike me, though that our friend might do well to look closer to home, since there are two tartans associated with his home state. Firstly there is States of Carolina, which has been approved by the legislatures of both states. And then there is also South Carolina which, although unofficial, is a pleasant-looking sett in blues.
Regards,
Mike

Mike, thank you and others for your clarification that there is not a 16 oz. Lochcarron Culloden Ancient Tartan, I miss understood the order conformation and therefore, I miss spoke. For clarity, this tartan is only available from Lochcarron in the two lighter weights, not 16 oz. I have also since been schooled on the finer points of the color variations that exist between the Lochcarron Culloden Ancient and the Culloden Jacket that Figheadair refers to. I think that perhaps the real point of my original post has been lost in all the clarification of colors and thread counts. What I was asking the group was not so much about the details of the colors and such, it was more centered around the basic question, has anyone had a kilt made out of the Lochcarron Ancient Culloden Tartan and were they pleased with their choice?

While I sincerely appreciate all the buzz around this tartan and it's historical relevance, I really just wanted some feedback from anyone who owned the Lochcarron Culloden Ancient. I now know that if I want a kilt made in the 1746 Culloden Tartan, I will have to have it woven. Unfortunately, I don't have the spare capital for such an undertaking at this time, unless there are others out there interested in the 1746 Culloden. If so, why don't we all band together and have a run produced by D C Dalgliesh? I'm game if enough of you guys are! Seriously, I'd love to do it. PM me if anyone is interested please.

Mike, I appreciate your suggestions pertaining to "It did strike me, though that our friend might do well to look closer to home, since there are two tartans associated with his home state. Firstly there is States of Carolina, which has been approved by the legislatures of both states. And then there is also South Carolina which, although unofficial, is a pleasant-looking sett in blues."Mike thank for the suggestion on the Carolina Tartans, but South Carolina is not my home state! I simply reside here for 12 plus years. If I were going to go with my home state tartan, it would be the tartan of the State of West Virginia! Again, a special run and something that I hope to do at some point in the future. Thanks for the suggestion though.

In closing, thanks to all, I will post pics once I've chosen the tartan and I actually have the kilt. Have a great night folks and please PM if you have interest in joining in on a run of the 1746 Culloden. I'm game if you all are. Have a good one all.

**OC Richard** · 13th November 14, 06:31 AM

I know it's been mentioned, but may I respectfully suggest to my fellow Mountaineer

Here's a thread called 'musings on the West Virginia tartan' which says it all

http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/f...-tartan-66236/

Bottom line, the tartan is based on an early 19th century relic. I prefer the original tartan (below) to the modified one adopted by the State (seen at the booth, above).

It's a pet project of mine, for which I don't have the money, to do a run of the original tartan in heavyweight kilting fabric. (The official tartan has only been woven in light weight.)

**Father Bill** · 13th November 14, 06:47 AM

Originally Posted by Pleater

Some people really do see colours differently and cannot differentiate between what to others are very different colours.
Anne the Pleater :ootd:

Aye. red / green colour deficiency in males is apparently the most common colour "blindness" and one that I have. When I was a classroom teacher, I had taught my kids to correct me as necessary"

Me: "Take the purple book..."
Kids (interupting): "Blue, Sir."
Me (with a grin): "Take the blue book..."

It was a kindness that I taught them to use with appropriate quiet good manners.

Gee, I loved the kids!