What are we allowed to post in this section?

[WVHighlander]

Nathan,

I think this is well said/written.


John

[Spartan Tartan]

I have noticed this as well, Nathan. I have also began less frequent visits to the site because the section I enjoy seems to be dying and all the interesting topics are moved elsewhere.

Admittedly, I am not a high volume contributor, but I DO come to this sub forum specifically because I enjoy the discussions had. It has become increasingly difficult to find the threads that interest me recently due to their being moved.

[ASinclair]

Nathan, I have also been surprised to see several threads on traditional highland dress get moved to other forums. While following the wonderful thread where you and Colin provided excellent examples of THCD, I was surprised to see us get slammed for our attitude toward our non-traditional kilt-wearing brethren. I used to view all forums, but now just look mainly at this one, assuming that this is where we are supposed to stay in order to not step on any non-traditional toes. So I share your concern and confusion that threads discussing THCD keep getting moved to other forums.

[Tobus]

I'm glad you brought this up, Nathan. I have wondered the same thing. I admit that my main interest on this board is 'traditional kilt talk', and it seems to have been scattered to the proverbial winds of late. I may be missing some good topics because they're getting buried in subforums that I never open because they don't interest me.

[Terry1948]

As a relative newbie to XMarks, with a wide interest in various ways of wearing the kilt, I would like to comment on this thread.

There is a lot of crossover, so let's take a thread about jackets (as an example) that has been placed by the OP only in the Traditional subforum, but would actually apply to both Contemporary and Traditional (and let's not get into how those terms are defined!). There could be members who would miss it because they view themselves as being Contemporary and not Traditional, so don't look in that subforum. However, they would look in the Accessories Forum, and would see comments from those who pattern themselves in a Traditional ambience, and those who feel they are wearing the kilt in a Contemporary manner. That might lead them to explore the Traditional subforum more. The reverse would also be true for Traditionalists.

I think it behooves folks to use the search function (even with its limitations -- this is not Google, after all, and tag the threads). Part of the enjoyment of XMarks is finding new perspectives on the kilt and how to wear it. I have seen examples of personal styles that I really appreciated, and others that I felt worked for that person, but not for me. But it has been an opportunity to learn.

With all the crossover on topics, I don't envy the Moderators in trying to keep the forum readable. XMarks is populated by people from all over the world with different perspectives. The goal is to make the forum usable for all these people, not just a subset. So, sometimes where an OP posts a thread may not be where the Moderators think it should go for the access of the entire forum, and they move it. I am assuming that the OP gets some form of notification that the thread has been moved.... For someone who has been following the thread, wouldn't any new posts show up in New Posts, and from there it would be obvious that the thread has been moved? The reader who wants to follow the thread would then know to look there.

[artificer]

As a relative newbie to XMarks, with a wide interest in various ways of wearing the kilt, I would like to comment on this thread.

There is a lot of crossover, so let's take a thread about jackets (as an example) that has been placed by the OP only in the Traditional subforum, but would actually apply to both Contemporary and Traditional (and let's not get into how those terms are defined!). There could be members who would miss it because they view themselves as being Contemporary and not Traditional, so don't look in that subforum. However, they would look in the Accessories Forum, and would see comments from those who pattern themselves in a Traditional ambience, and those who feel they are wearing the kilt in a Contemporary manner. That might lead them to explore the Traditional subforum more. The reverse would also be true for Traditionalists.

I think it behooves folks to use the search function (even with its limitations -- this is not Google, after all, and tag the threads). Part of the enjoyment of XMarks is finding new perspectives on the kilt and how to wear it. I have seen examples of personal styles that I really appreciated, and others that I felt worked for that person, but not for me. But it has been an opportunity to learn.

With all the crossover on topics, I don't envy the Moderators in trying to keep the forum readable. XMarks is populated by people from all over the world with different perspectives. The goal is to make the forum usable for all these people, not just a subset. So, sometimes where an OP posts a thread may not be where the Moderators think it should go for the access of the entire forum, and they move it. I am assuming that the OP gets some form of notification that the thread has been moved.... For someone who has been following the thread, wouldn't any new posts show up in New Posts, and from there it would be obvious that the thread has been moved? The reader who wants to follow the thread would then know to look there.

I'm going to have to disagree with this. People can explore whichever sub-forum they like, but each sub-forum serves a particular purpose.

The Traditional subforum exists for those who wish to discuss the finer points of how the kilt is worn in a traditional sense. (Following the 'Rules' as it were).
Some contemporary dressers find the discussion excruciating and knit-picking.

The Contemporary subforum exists for those who may wish to wear the kilt in a more 'modern' sense. Alternate jacket styles, scrunched down hose, unusual sporrans, etc.
Traditional dressers may find some of this... troubling .

To strip the traditional forum of everything BUT the kilt itself essentially destroys the subforum, as a kilt worn traditionally frequently DOES have a jacket (or jumper). Why take the discussion of
traditional jackets worn WITH traditional kilts OUT of the Traditional Sub-forum?

Just my $0.02, but I find the recent 'pruning' of the traditional forum has sucked much of the life and discussion out of XMarks, at least the parts I quite enjoyed.

ith:

[Tobus]

For someone who has been following the thread, wouldn't any new posts show up in New Posts, and from there it would be obvious that the thread has been moved? The reader who wants to follow the thread would then know to look there.

I'm assuming you're talking about the "what's new" tab. I don't use it. It makes me wade through a bunch of topics that I don't care about, which is precisely why I like to browse directly to the subforum that interests me in order to find topics I do care about. And for this reason, I am very grateful for the staff attempting to keep topics fairly well organised in the sub-forums to which they should belong. The only issue here is that there is some confusion on what exactly the traditional forum is supposed to be about, if topics about traditional kilt wear keep getting moved to other subforums.

To be fair, they usually do leave a marker to show that a thread has been moved, and it's easy to click on that link to follow it to the thread's new location.

[Terry1948]

I'm going to have to disagree with this. People can explore whichever sub-forum they like, but each sub-forum serves a particular purpose.

The Traditional subforum exists for those who wish to discuss the finer points of how the kilt is worn in a traditional sense. (Following the 'Rules' as it were).
Some contemporary dressers find the discussion excruciating and knit-picking.

The Contemporary subforum exists for those who may wish to wear the kilt in a more 'modern' sense. Alternate jacket styles, scrunched down hose, unusual sporrans, etc.
Traditional dressers may find some of this... troubling .

To strip the traditional forum of everything BUT the kilt itself essentially destroys the subforum, as a kilt worn traditionally frequently DOES have a jacket (or jumper). Why take the discussion of
traditional jackets worn WITH traditional kilts OUT of the Traditional Sub-forum?

Just my $0.02, but I find the recent 'pruning' of the traditional forum has sucked much of the life and discussion out of XMarks, at least the parts I quite enjoyed.

ith:

So, I admit to being a bit bemused. Why does it "suck the life and discussion out" by having to read about something in a subforum not dedicated to one specific perspective? I actually find going into different subforums adds to the life and discussion, but then I am also interested in seeing how different people view the wearing of the kilt.

[Kilted Cole]

For those of us whom are less tech savvy..... by moving all of these threads out of the "Traditional" thread, it makes it harder to find what we are looking for, when looking for Highland Kilt fashion before the 1960's.
At least it does for me.

[Laurence]

Yea! I suppose I should change my name here to "Laurence the Confused" as I have trouble with how everything here works. eg: can't get the avatar thing to take a pic of me from my computer! Exasperating! Right now, I'm confused about jackets in general; I'm picking up that there are special jackets (Prince Charlies?) that go with kilts!?! For lack of having anything else, and lack of $$$ to buy anything else right now, I've been using my regular suit jacket with my kilt (kinda substituting the kilt for the trousers) and seems to look ok to me. Any thoughts, anyone?