What are we allowed to post in this section?

[Terry1948]

I'm going to have to disagree with this. People can explore whichever sub-forum they like, but each sub-forum serves a particular purpose.

The Traditional subforum exists for those who wish to discuss the finer points of how the kilt is worn in a traditional sense. (Following the 'Rules' as it were).
Some contemporary dressers find the discussion excruciating and knit-picking.

The Contemporary subforum exists for those who may wish to wear the kilt in a more 'modern' sense. Alternate jacket styles, scrunched down hose, unusual sporrans, etc.
Traditional dressers may find some of this... troubling .

To strip the traditional forum of everything BUT the kilt itself essentially destroys the subforum, as a kilt worn traditionally frequently DOES have a jacket (or jumper). Why take the discussion of
traditional jackets worn WITH traditional kilts OUT of the Traditional Sub-forum?

Just my $0.02, but I find the recent 'pruning' of the traditional forum has sucked much of the life and discussion out of XMarks, at least the parts I quite enjoyed.

ith:

So, I admit to being a bit bemused. Why does it "suck the life and discussion out" by having to read about something in a subforum not dedicated to one specific perspective? I actually find going into different subforums adds to the life and discussion, but then I am also interested in seeing how different people view the wearing of the kilt.

[artificer]

So, I admit to being a bit bemused. Why does it "suck the life and discussion out" by having to read about something in a subforum not dedicated to one specific perspective? I actually find going into different subforums adds to the life and discussion, but then I am also interested in seeing how different people view the wearing of the kilt.

It's not just about WHERE the conversation is read, although this pruning HAS vastly cut down the volume of threads as well as the traffic IN threads that I am interested in- "sucked the life and discussion out". Literally.
The traffic in the Traditional forum is at an all time low.

To be perfectly frank, if I want to discuss how a tweed jacket works with a particular outfit I don't need to hear "Wear what you want, there are no rules" eighteen times in a thread (a fairly Contemporary PoV).
I'd much rather hear from those who share a particular mindset, as those would be the opinions that I was looking for (Traditional ones).

Likewise, If I was discussing the finer points of rough and ready boots and hose for a concert I wouldn't be asking the question in the Traditional forum (where such a question might mostly net answers of "I'd never do that").

THAT is why I appreciate the ability to discuss various facets of kilting in their proper sub-forums. It's not about NOT getting different perspectives,
it's about asking the proper question in the proper place to get the proper answer from the proper people.

A jumble of opinions is what the "General" forums are for, and they do marvelously at it, but certain questions and topics belong in DEDICATED spaces.

ith:

Edit: I should add that I am not an "Arch-Traditionalist", the weather here means that most of the time I'm wearing a Polo shirt and light or scrunched down hose with my kilt, and I've been known to wear a t-shirt with it as well.
I just appreciate being able to access set groups with their own particular points of view.

[Tobus]

To be perfectly frank, if I want to discuss how a tweed jacket works with a particular outfit I don't need to hear "Wear what you want, there are no rules" eighteen times in a thread (a fairly Contemporary PoV).
I'd much rather hear from those who share a particular mindset, as those would be the opinions that I was looking for (Traditional ones).

Likewise, If I was discussing the finer points of rough and ready boots and hose for a concert I wouldn't be asking the question in the Traditional forum (where such a question might mostly net answers of "I'd never do that").

This. Exactly.

Posting a question about a tweed jacket is a great example. If one were to post it in the traditional subforum, he would be looking for input based on a traditional point of view. If he posted it in the accessories subforum, he would be looking for a more general opinion. Two very different intents, with the exact same question asked. The issue of where the question is asked is the important thing. But if all such questions are moved to the accessories forum, it defeats the poster's intent.

[pbutts]

Nathan, are you asking for clarification on WHY posts are moved or are you advocating that the original poster's choice of forum be respected?

In the examples cited, is the move to another section the result of subsequent comments that hijack the original intent?

Personally I automatically hit the "NEW POSTS" button and skim through posts irrespective of forum to see what interests me. I only use the forum view when I'm shopping a particular vendor or looking for DIY help.

It might be helpful to do a survey on --

1) how many members go directly to the "Traditionally Made" forum?

2) how many members browse by "New Posts"?

Also, do a review the posts that were moved to see what topics appear to be problematic.

...this might give the moderators some data to ensure that whatever solution is considered actually meets the needs of members.

[Nathan]

Nathan, are you asking for clarification on WHY posts are moved or are you advocating that the original poster's choice of forum be respected?

In the examples cited, is the move to another section the result of subsequent comments that hijack the original intent?

Personally I automatically hit the "NEW POSTS" button and skim through posts irrespective of forum to see what interests me. I only use the forum view when I'm shopping a particular vendor or looking for DIY help.

It might be helpful to do a survey on --

1) how many members go directly to the "Traditionally Made" forum?

2) how many members browse by "New Posts"?

Also, do a review the posts that were moved to see what topics appear to be problematic.

...this might give the moderators some data to ensure that whatever solution is considered actually meets the needs of members.

Interesting questions but really don't address my OP. Obviously there are subforums so different people can discuss what they want among likeminded people.

What IS ok for this sub-forum? What DOES actually belong here in terms of new content? What determines whether you are wearing the kilt traditionally if not the things you wear it with?

[MacLowlife]

My jaundiced view is that those who decide have no interest in Traditional kilt wearing and, either by design or by mistake, they are killing the Traditional forum by moving posts which refer to anything other than traditional kilts- for example, my own moved thread on tartan jackets, which I posted here a few weeks ago. And yes, I know a jacket is not a kilt, but I agree with the posts above which noted that this forum draws traditional kilt wearers and traditional views, regardless of whether we ask " So, about those socks I wear with my traditional kilt..." or say "Should I wear my traditional kilt with these socks?" Of late, merely saying "Traditional Kilt" has not been enough- you have to refrain from mentioning anything else, too. I know that much thought has been expended on the forum titles, but I think the moving of threads is frustrating to the OP, not to mention disrespectful. When a month goes by without any posts at all, it is safe to assume that I am not the only one who feels stepped on.

My practice has been to check this forum first and occasionally to look in the General Kilt Talk forum, or maybe Advice. Sometimes I notice old friends from the THCD crowd in those other places. Lately, I just sigh and go on to other websites.

[Spartan Tartan]

My jaundiced view is that those who decide have no interest in Traditional kilt wearing and, either by design or by mistake, they are killing the Traditional forum by moving posts which refer to anything other than traditional kilts- for example, my own moved thread on tartan jackets, which I posted here a few weeks ago. And yes, I know a jacket is not a kilt, but I agree with the posts above which noted that this forum draws traditional kilt wearers and traditional views, regardless of whether we ask " So, about those socks I wear with my traditional kilt..." or say "Should I wear my traditional kilt with these socks?" Of late, merely saying "Traditional Kilt" has not been enough- you have to refrain from mentioning anything else, too. I know that much thought has been expended on the forum titles, but I think the moving of threads is frustrating to the OP, not to mention disrespectful. When a month goes by without any posts at all, it is safe to assume that I am not the only one who feels stepped on.

My practice has been to check this forum first and occasionally to look in the General Kilt Talk forum, or maybe Advice. Sometimes I notice old friends from the THCD crowd in those other places. Lately, I just sigh and go on to other websites.

I have to agree with this. I have been feeling as if the traditional sub-forum is somehow "on the outs" with the current "leadership", so to speak. As a result, it is being slowing choked out of the forum.

I come to the traditional sub-forum to have (or more accurately see) conversations about the overall wearing of kilt attire in a traditional manner. Primarily, because that is how I prefer to wear my own. Additionally, when I seek a new opinion, I decidedly go into the sub-forum(s) which provide differing thoughts. However, when I want to discuss something with like minded people, I do NOT wear my traditional outfit into a biker bar and expect to have an extended discussion about proper shoes and or hose to wear at a particular event. But if I DO desire that conversation, I too would like to avoid the "wear whatever you want, there are no rules" commentary that serves no purpose to aid the conversation that I seek.

[MacGumerait]

Nathan , I would have to agree with your views and others with similar viewpoints .

The name of the sub-forum is " Traditionally Made Kilts and How to Wear Them " .

The name of the sub-forum does imply discussing and depicting not only traditionally made kilts but also what to wear with them ... thus the part of the sub-forum name " and How to Wear Them " which would suggest the traditional elements worn with the traditional kilt .

If this sub-forum wasn't intended for such discussions , perhaps there should be a new sub-forum created and appropriately named .... which would pertain to Traditional Highland Civilian Dress .

It was always nice to know in the past , that if you want to read and view threads about traditional wear you could come to this sub-forum . ( not so much now )

Don't get me wrong here folks . In case some of you are reading this in the " What's New " section , this is not a discussion of traditional vs. contemporary ( many of us traditionalists like contemporary as well ) .

This is a discussion on " WHERE " to have conversations about overall traditional wear .

Cheers , Mike

[davidlpope]

My suggestion for the new sub-forums, based on the work done by Nathan and Colin:

Historical: This section is for discussing approaches to wearing the kilt from a bygone era—whether accurate, theatrical, or anachronistic.

Traditional: This section is for discussing approaches to wearing the kilt as Scottish Highland attire that has been passed down from generation to generation.

Contemporary: This section is for discussing approaches to wearing the kilt as everyday clothing and/or street wear that privileges personal interpretation.

[Semiomniscient]

This makes sense and is in no way divisive as some would seem to put it. Additionally, it is descriptive for newer members who want to focus on one aspect or another--whether they're interested in wearing a kilt to a Highland Games or reenactment or a concert.