What are we allowed to post in this section?

[Steve Ashton]

Thank you to everyone who has responded so far. And so quickly.

Most of the responses so far seem to be proving that this idea you presented would appear to be a good one.

MacWilken writes "But there are many of us who wear Traditional Highland Civilian Dress for functions such as Burns Suppers, St. Andrew's Balls, Caledonian Society meetings, lodge "dos" and other assorted functions and those only."
That is very similar wording used in the section where you would feel most comfortable.
Formal balls to Burn's dinners. There are many occasions to which we wear our kilts.
Some of us wear a kilt only for special occasions such as a wedding.
If you have an occasion to wear a kilt then this is where you can post about it.

McMurdo writes "incongruous with what Jamie and I did in the 1 kilt 10 looks thread which" On the contrary. Each of the outfits is fully traditional, show your Heritage and suited to the reason you chose one outfit over another. Each of the 10 looks is described by what sort of event or activity it is most appropriate for.
#1 the equivalent to a pair of jeans. This is my hiking outfit
#2 Casual / Festival wear
#3 equivalent to a pair of Docker style pants for an afternoon BBQ or out to the pub with friends.
#4 Day wear
#5 This is the sort of outfit I would wear to a morning wedding, party, or church service.
#6 This outfit is one I would wear for a late afternoon or early evening event, such as an afternoon wedding.
#7 This is what I might wear out to dinner or an evening wedding or party.
#8 Some evening events are "formal optional"
#9 #9 Formal (Black Tie)
#10 #10 Formal (White tie)

Nathan writes "a place where newbies to the kilt can learn how to not embarrass themselves at kilted functions."
Yep, that fits very nicely too.

Kilted Cole writes "Highland Kilt fashion before the 1960's."
"You wear a kilt as part of a costume or vintage outfit" give one place to post and find all you pre-'60's examples.

[Kilted Cole]

Costume, no. I was using "before the 1960's" as an example of what "I" consider to be non contemporary (not that there is anything wrong with wearing the kilt in contemporary ways) but I would be wearing saxon clothing from the same time periods were I not of Highland ancestry. Its just the style that I find myself comfortable in.
And I fear your missing my point. For myself, I find all these "sub forums" to be confusing. I'm looking for this, and now I have to do some serious searching on here, rather than click on the THCD button or link, and then make my selection from there.

[Steve Ashton]

Some have said that they feel that without a dedicated THCD section the forum will suffer.

This is contrary to the numbers and facts. X Marks has had almost 19,000 people join the forum. Many leave very soon after joining because they cannot find anywhere to post about how they do, or want, to wear the kilt.

I hear often from this new members that they are made to feel unwelcome due to a few who tout the traditional way.
I am honestly try to find a way for all these others to join us and feel welcome.

I honestly feel this will make the forum stronger.

[Steve Ashton]

Ah, Kilted Cole, but there never was a "THCD button or link".

[macwilkin]

Most of the responses so far seem to be proving that this idea you presented would appear to be a good one.

Respectfully, Steve -- it doesn't. You have replaced "traditionalist" with "non-conformist" in what appears to be a special status. I personally believe that a person who dresses in THCD is a non-conformist of sorts in that they chose to wear classic, traditional attire instead of contemporary fashion. You expressed your concern that THCD was creating some sort of caste system; isn't giving the "non-conformists" their own unique section the exact same thing without one for "traditionalists" to balance it out?

I don't see this as a good idea at all, but rather creating the very thing it supposed to be fixing. I remember here years ago when the term "Weekend Wallace" was bantered about by those daily kilt-wearers against those who wore their kilts for special occasions. Anyone else remember that?

[davidlpope]

Steve,

If there was a clearly labeled "Traditionalist" sub-forum your concerns would vanish into the ether. Those posting in the Traditional sub-forum would know that the discussion there was premised on a traditional understanding of how to wear the kilt and could enjoy the discussion of arcane matters that most of the world has no interest in. The traditionalists could confine themselves to this sub-forum and wouldn't "scare off", with their undesired viewpoints, any of these new members that you keep referencing. Folks like Alan could steer clear of this sub-forum and not have their feathers ruffled.

Why are you so unwilling to grant this simple request?

David

[Steve Ashton]

" Folks like Alan could steer clear of this sub-forum and not have their feathers ruffled."

If only, David, the reverse were true too? http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/s...9&goto=newpost

[Nathan]

The last time you proposed tampering with the subforums, the traditionalists of this forum gave constructive suggestions about what they would like to see. You ignored that input and closed the thread. Now you're proposing another arrangement that would also make it difficult to discuss what we really want to.

http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/f...bership-85447/

We want to continue to have a place on this forum to discuss the finer points of Traditional Highland attire from a Traditional Highland perspective. You seem to want to bend into logical contortions to stop that from happening and that is very frustrating.

[davidlpope]

" Folks like Alan could steer clear of this sub-forum and not have their feathers ruffled."

If only, David, the reverse were true too? http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/s...9&goto=newpost

Alan posted that thread in the "kilt advice" sub-forum, not in the contemporary sub-forum. Is there an unspoken rule that everyone, save Traditionalists, are allowed to express their viewpoint when it comes to "kilt advice"? Does his advocacy of a particular viewpoint pre-empt other views?

My comments were respectful and appropriate. I'm amazed that they were interpreted as giving offense.

[sailortats]

How about forums labelled thusly:

Traditional - to discuss anything related to wearing of the kilt in a traditional manner

Contemporary - to discuss anything relatedto wearing of the kilt in a contemporary manner