Kilt Orientation Issues

**Tarheel** · 29th January 15, 06:12 AM

Strong point Damion. I still have problems with billed caps (baseball style) turned at 45 degrees on heads as an example but never have corrected a single person for that decision. Expression takes on many forms in personal appearance.
I miss Bell bottom jeans also Tom, but not on myself anymore, as I (a long haired southern boy) has lost his "girlish figure" to gravity and age.

**joek** · 29th January 15, 07:17 AM

Folks, for all we know he may have worn his kilt attire properly the last 10 years. Media being what it is though when was the last time (in the USA) you saw a picture of a man in a kilt worn the right way in a newspaper??? (excluding events where they are normally worn) This is simply the stuff that fills up blogs and talk shows. Let it go.

**Jock Scot** · 29th January 15, 07:51 AM

Originally Posted by joek

Folks, for all we know he may have worn his kilt attire properly the last 10 years. Media being what it is though when was the last time (in the USA) you saw a picture of a man in a kilt worn the right way in a newspaper??? (excluding events where they are normally worn) This is simply the stuff that fills up blogs and talk shows. Let it go.

Whilst the whole kilt backwards issue is hardly an earth shattering event in world terms it could be for newcomers to the kilt world. Why? How?

As we know the picture is now on the internet and without "a health warning" pictures can and often do------- as we know on this website it does happen------lead those that don't know, astray. The more people who know of these things , the less pitfalls there are for the unwary and I have noticed that there are quite often xmarks threads attached to these sort of misleading pictures, so by a roundabout route we may have added a "health warning".

There is nothing personal in this, but there is at least an attempt to inform others. That is all.

**eagle43172** · 29th January 15, 08:20 AM

Kilt backward is a bit odd, and to allow one's picture wearing it that way does seem to defy logic.
As to wearing medals, a quick google on wearing awards and decorations for those of us in the US brings up several sites like the following:
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/theor.../medalwear.htm
I have worn my "gongs" (full sized w/informal wear, miniature when formal - scottish and saxon). I will never, ever wear ribbons!
Dave

**BadenochWolf** · 30th January 15, 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by eagle43172

Kilt backward is a bit odd, and to allow one's picture wearing it that way does seem to defy logic.
As to wearing medals, a quick google on wearing awards and decorations for those of us in the US brings up several sites like the following:I
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/theor.../medalwear.htm
I have worn my "gongs" (full sized w/informal wear, miniature when formal - scottish and saxon). I will never, ever wear ribbons!
Dave

Dave,

AR 670-1 specifically allows the wear of medals on civilian wear by former military/retired/those separated from service, provided they are worn in the same way and same approximate location as on a uniform of similar formality. What the regs will NOT let one do is mix and match uniform items (in this gent's case, the Mess Dress jacket) with articles of non-uniform apparel. Had he worn his medals on an doublet, PC, argyll or even a button-down shirt, I would have smirked at the aft-to-front kilt, and let it go. However, this lieutenant colonel, who by virtue of rank and age should know better, is flouting the regs in an egregious style. THAT is what chaps me raw.

**eagle43172** · 30th January 15, 07:18 PM

Wolf,
I hope I don't leave the impression that I condone wearing uniform parts with a kilt. As a 23 year Infantry officer, and 22 year US Army GS civilian I am fairly familiar with uniform regulations. I am a bit appalled when I attend events where this is done, but realistically not much can be done to stop it. As an example, here in the Central texas region we have a fairly sizeable Scottish-American Military Society post that is relatively active. Last year I was asked to give the "Immortal Memory" at the local Burn's Supper that was sponsored by SAMS. My speach was the only part of the program to mention of Robert Burns (although there was a hagis and the Ode), and the majority of kilt wearers wore their servise's mess dress jackets and awards and decorations or costumes like a Black Watch red doublet of 1900 vintage. ( kind of felt out of place in my PC and waistcoat). It was really more of a SAMS "dining in" than Burn's Supper, yet a good number of those there were not military related and had come to celebrate burns. As I was told that is what SAMS members wetar for dress up, but it still smacks me of miswear of the uniform. I am not a SAMS member and cannot really question their policies, but if I went to a formal barbeque at the Cowboy Association I would't wear a mess jacket with blue jeans and boots!
My 2c
Dave

**MacEanruig** · 30th January 15, 08:58 PM

I am a retired Army NCO, and I would have politely pulled the gentleman aside and pointed out each of the discrepancies. As a former military member he should have known better in regards to the mess wear with rank and medals. Honestly, I do not know how you can wear a kilt backwards if you've worn a kilt before, unless you have always worn it incorrectly.

**kiltedtom** · 1st February 15, 08:55 AM

Not sure how many times, numerous for sure, that I have seen veterans of Korea, Vietnam, and more recent wars wearing military hats with leather vests, blue jeans,. Also medals and campaign ribbons with the same. Khaki shirts, saved from wars, with jeans or cutoffs. Ok, so the gentleman has mixed military and civilian items. It is his right. Either arrest him or leave him be.

Tom