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    Jock, neloon,
    I get the lowlands area and cultural difference going back to Roman influence but am historically focused on the Border area so often just mention that.

    Well that's a fine kettle of fish! Now what do I do with all of this kit? The red Scott would make a nice picnic table cover and I could use the flashes to mark beer mugs so my drinking friends don't get there cups mixed up.....kidding.

    I understand both sides of this drama, and it is that, thanks to your insight and honesty. Sincerely.

    I want to explain, though, the kinship I feel for a place I know my ancestors came from as it is not maudlin.

    I would not be 'going home' as is often the tourist banner...home is where you are from physically.
    Home cannot be someplace you know second hand from reading. Simply put if you've never been there it ain't home.

    It is just a historical context for me. When I greet folks at whatever rare Scot get together we don't hug and call each other brother etc. just share a similar interest.

    I get a feeling tho from others here (people met and some of the tourists you've encountered) that they are more invested and have bought into the 'home' deal and fully expect to have that validated in some manner upon visiting....probably thru the wearing of Clan attire as a second unofficial passport. They mean no disrespect, actually the exact opposite.

    A little/lot less enthusiasm on our part and a lot less of selling the kinship/home/tourism idea would make for a happier medium and a better mix.
    I'm not sure your tourism industry or kit making neighbors would be on board with that....so how do you keep the drunk from singing if you continue selling him drink?

    I don't think those industries would benefit from honest advertising...'Buy it here but don't wear it here (unless you're a born Scot) wouldn't sell much yardage as it goes to the heart of the merchandizing kinship issue.

    I'll still visit as I've heard about great Scots hospitality and for my historical satisfaction.

    It does take a bit of wind out of my sails though as I wanted to believe in one while I suspected the other.

    p.s. Thinking about this today horseback, where I do my best thinking, and I think this exchange will actually make me more comfortable wearing a Kilt (properly done style and event wise) when I visit Scotland.
    It's not often you get straight talk from folks delivered with patience and style when the straight talk is possibly contentious.
    This we had and it has made me sharper in my approach to things Scot.
    I went the mental gamut of; just upset, digesting information because it was freely offered, and to a resolve.
    I will wear the title of 'tourist' in a quiet pride as a visitor reflecting on historical roots not as a 'Scot'. I'll, given the chance, explain to locals the why/wherefore of my Kilt and ask there opinion and advice letting them know I know I'm just a visitor borrowing their traditional dress....and will do so with humor and a grin.
    If that doesn't get me a free drink then I'll just start a fight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reiver View Post

    I would not be 'going home' as is often the tourist banner...home is where you are from physically.
    Home cannot be someplace you know second hand from reading. Simply put if you've never been there it ain't home.
    This has been an interesting thread with a lot of good comments on both sides of the issue. Like many others on this site, I celebrate my Scottish ancestry. I also understand that I'm not 'going home' when I visit. But I do feel 'at home', especially in the west, in a way that I still don't feel at home in Utah despite having lived here for the last 25 years. The people I've met there have a lot to do with that feeling. I'd like to spend a lot more time there, but unfortunately that'll probably have to wait until after I retire.

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    I have just returned from the local shop and whilst there I bumped into the local hotel owner whilst buying a news paper. He was not his normal jolly self in fact he was fuming and without much prompting his comment was, "b***** visitors! I have hundreds of visitors every year and they are fun to have, but every now and then we get one that thinks that just because they have bought a room for the night, they also think that they have bought me, the hotel and B***** Scotland!"

    I am sure this sort of thing happens all over the world for all sorts of reasons, from time to time, but I could not help but smile when I thought about this thread, whilst driving home!
    " Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the adherence of idle minds and minor tyrants". Field Marshal Lord Slim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jock Scot View Post
    I have just returned from the local shop and whilst there I bumped into the local hotel owner whilst buying a news paper. He was not his normal jolly self in fact he was fuming and without much prompting his comment was, "b***** visitors! I have hundreds of visitors every year and they are fun to have, but every now and then we get one that thinks that just because they have bought a room for the night, they also think that they have bought me, the hotel and B***** Scotland!"

    I am sure this sort of thing happens all over the world for all sorts of reasons, from time to time, but I could not help but smile when I thought about this thread, whilst driving home!
    His name isn't Basil Faulty?
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    well, that comes from poor judgement."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liam View Post
    His name isn't Basil Faulty?
    No, but there are a few similarities!
    " Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the adherence of idle minds and minor tyrants". Field Marshal Lord Slim.

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    Monday 6 April is National Tartan Day in the US.
    I plan on kilting up and going to local establishments portraying a loud rude Scot ...the problem I have is it's a small town and everyone knows me as already loud and rude.
    I may have to travel further afield.
    I think someone took me seriously...from now on...smiley face goes here ( I dislike the little icons).
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    Well well, a little experiment in poker face, just went to the shops kilted here in North Yorkshire, England wearing my most 'could not give a .... what you think' face and people appeared genuinely disinterested in my attire. Even picked up a parcel on the way home from my neighbour who didn't even mention my kilt...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jock Scot View Post
    I am sure this sort of thing happens all over the world for all sorts of reasons, from time to time, but I could not help but smile when I thought about this thread, whilst driving home!
    Unfortunately that kind of customer is all too common. After having more than my share, I've sworn I would never be that guy.

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    To revert to the original question "Why do the Scots wear the kilt only on special occasions?" I'm not sure that this is peculiar to Scots. As an example, 50 or so years ago, Indian girls in Scotland (mostly students) routinely wore saris (and complained about the cold). Nowadays, sadly, the sari seems to be reserved for "special occasions". So the issue may be to do with globalisation (?Americanisation) and hopefully such desire for uniformity is just a passing phase.
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    The girls look so elegant in their saris and for different reasons to the Scots wearing the kilt the result is the same. There are genuine and obvious reasons why both sets of attire are kept for special occasions.
    " Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the adherence of idle minds and minor tyrants". Field Marshal Lord Slim.

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