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                                                17th April 15, 11:01 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					I was thinking about Shaw Mor, Rex, a Clan Chattan connection? Was he the chap that gained the land at Rothiemurchus for the Shaws after some battle in the 12/13 hundreds? Was he known as the "wolf"? Is that the same "wolf" as the one connected to the Macphersons?  Clan Shaw are connected to Clan Chattan in some major way, I think, but you are the expert on all that, I am only a mere onlooker.
				 
				
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                                                17th April 15, 11:33 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					Shaw Mor was the Clanchattan leader at the North Inch thing in the 1290s, Jock.  Legend has it that he was gifted with Rothiemurchus in gratitude by Mackintosh 8 and became the progenitor of the Shaws.  He's buried at Ballindalloch.  I'll inject a pic if I can find it.  His direct line died out and the Shaws are now represented by the Shaws of Tordarroch.  The 'wolf' you are referring to is Robert II's natural son, the Earl of Buchan of the late 14C.  At the height of his outlaw power he held the mound of Ruthven, near you, and Loch-an-Eilean in Rothiemurchus.  The Clanchattan joined him when he burned Elgin Cathedral, for which he was excommunicated.  Rothiemurchus was acquired by the Grants and, through them, the Macpherson Grants.  
 EDIT.  Shaw Mor's grave.  The grill is relatively new.
 
 
   
				
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                                                18th April 15, 01:43 AM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					Thank you Rex, I had a vague idea, but that clears it up nicely. Do you know we went to a wedding at Ballindalloch no so long ago and saw the grave in the picture  and meant to take a closer look at it, but as things do at these sort of affairs we got side tracked and missed the opportunity.
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                                                18th April 15, 07:07 AM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					I would very much like to be there for that!
				 
	
	
		
                        
                                
                                        
                                                18th April 15, 09:34 AM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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	If the grill is to protect the grave, rather than some historiical significance, it's a sad reflection on today's society.
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by ThistleDown   EDIT.  Shaw Mor's grave.  The grill is relatively new.
 
 To return to the thread, HRH The Prince Charles, Duke of Rothesay is surely one of the best ambassadors for the appreciation of Highland dress. On this occasion, is his kilt just a tad long? But very smart, as usual.
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                                                18th April 15, 10:14 AM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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	While I realize black is traditional, I always match my leathers. My wife's Grandfather advised me of this in 1978, the first time I donned a kilt. Here is a picture from that time, and although not shown, I was wearing black shoes.
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by ThistleDown   Always black shoes. Traditional. 
 
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                                                18th April 15, 10:18 AM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					It's in my book, Rex!  That would be wonderful!
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                                                18th April 15, 12:20 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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	No Rex, it's Grant of Ballindalloch.
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by ThistleDown   Macpherson-Grant. 
	
	
		
                        
                                
                                        
                                                18th April 15, 01:23 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					Damn. I thought it said "Disney"
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                                                18th April 15, 01:23 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					 Peter, I didn't know Grant of Ballindalloch has a white stripe,  but I'm not sure Macpherson-Grant has either, come to think of it.  That's probably why the original question was asked. 
				
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