Outlander tartans: Questions

[MacKenzie]

http://www.kilts-n-stuff.com/outland...-tartans/#full

Have any of the kilt makers here (or anyone at all) worked with this tartan? How is it?


@ $119 US per yard for 12 oz. DW, why is this tartan so expensive? By comparison the reweave of the Culloden tartan that Figheadair oversaw, @ 16 oz. DW, is only $80 US per yard.

http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/f...2/index12.html

[figheadair]

http://www.kilts-n-stuff.com/outland...-tartans/#full

Have any of the kilt makers here (or anyone at all) worked with this tartan? How is it?


@ $119 US per yard for 12 oz. DW, why is this tartan so expensive? By comparison the reweave of the Culloden tartan that Figheadair oversaw, @ 16 oz. DW, is only $80 US per yard.

http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/f...2/index12.html

It's because I had this run done at risk (mine) as a benefit for XMarkers which means there is a very small mark up and I need to shift quite a bit (which will happen over time) in order to break even. The Outlander cloth is commercial merchandise and the sellers in it for the profit..

[KiltedKnome]

http://www.kilts-n-stuff.com/outland...-tartans/#full

Have any of the kilt makers here (or anyone at all) worked with this tartan? How is it?


@ $119 US per yard for 12 oz. DW, why is this tartan so expensive? By comparison the reweave of the Culloden tartan that Figheadair oversaw, @ 16 oz. DW, is only $80 US per yard.

http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/f...2/index12.html

It is my understanding that the wool fabric has been woven as a variant of a plain weave, and not a twill. That will change how the fabric handles. The Celtic Croft (advertiser here) is the company handling the fabric, so you could direct your question regarding the cost to them.

[MacKenzie]

It's because I had this run done at risk (mine) as a benefit for XMarkers which means there is a very small mark up and I need to shift quite a bit (which will happen over time) in order to break even. The Outlander cloth is commercial merchandise and the sellers in it for the profit..

Makes sense. Thank you.

It is my understanding that the wool fabric has been woven as a variant of a plain weave, and not a twill. That will change how the fabric handles.

That's what I had assumed. Was wondering if it was suited for a more traditional style kilt.

[OC Richard]

Did you see the XMarks discussion of the Outlander tartans and their near-exactitude to MacKay (Weathered)?

Here it is, with nice photos

http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/f...0/index14.html

If I wanted an Outlander-looking kilt I'd go with Weathered MacKay, assuming that it's available and at the normal price of kilting cloth.

Here's Weathered MacKay



and Outlander

[dcommini]

Did you see the XMarks discussion of the Outlander tartans and their near-exactitude to MacKay (Weathered)?

Here it is, with nice photos

http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/f...0/index14.html

If I wanted an Outlander-looking kilt I'd go with Weathered MacKay, assuming that it's available and at the normal price of kilting cloth.

Here's Weathered MacKay



and Outlander

I wanted to note that while very similar to a Weathered MacKay the Celtic Croft has the Fraser and MacKenzie tartans that have s light variation.

Fraser seems to have some yellow and red added in.
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MacKenzie seems to have a blue pin stripe added in.

Either way, getting just the base Weathered MacKay would do the job as it looks just like the regular Outlander tartan the they have for sale.

Also, the actual MacKenzie tartan is similar to the Armstrong and Davidson tartans, and the Fraser tartan has a lot of red, blue, and green. I know that the tartans weren't necessarrily associated with clans until later than what Outlander is set (I think. I can't remember the years), so I see no need to order these tartans other than 1) supporting a business, and 2) being a fan of the show.

[figheadair]

Also, the actual MacKenzie tartan is similar to the Armstrong and Davidson tartans, and the Fraser tartan has a lot of red, blue, and green. I know that the tartans weren't necessarrily associated with clans until later than what Outlander is set (I think. I can't remember the years), so I see no need to order these tartans other than 1) supporting a business, and 2) being a fan of the show.

Whilst the MacKenzie has overall similarities with the Armstrong and Davidson tartans it is technically quite different; it is in fact simply the Government (Black Watch) tartan with a red and white over stripe.

The concept of clan tartans began around 1800, some two generations after the events depicted in the Outlander series.

[OC Richard]

Seems to me that they just took out the brown line in the middle of the grey block, to transform Weathered MacKay into the generic Outlander tartan.

Then they added coloured lines here and there to create different tartans for their various clans, which have nothing to do with the actual tartans of those clans, seems to me.

[dcommini]

Whilst the MacKenzie has overall similarities with the Armstrong and Davidson tartans it is technically quite different; it is in fact simply the Government (Black Watch) tartan with a red and white over stripe.

I didn't mean to imply that the tartans were the same, just that they had similar colors.

The concept of clan tartans began around 1800, some two generations after the events depicted in the Outlander series.

Ah, thank you. I was thinking it was towards the end of the 1700's, but still after Outlander was set.

[dcommini]

Seems to me that they just took out the brown line in the middle of the grey block, to transform Weathered MacKay into the generic Outlander tartan.

Then they added coloured lines here and there to create different tartans for their various clans, which have nothing to do with the actual tartans of those clans, seems to me.

Instead some of the thread where Terry the costume designer from Outlander was so gracious to talk to us and saw where they were wanting to go with more of an earthy feel for the garb. I understand well where the design team is coming from, however I do wish that the tartans could be a bit more vibrant and closer to historically accurate. I understand that it is a TV show, not a documentary, and it is ultimately up to the designers to bring the show together.

It doesn't stop me from enjoying the show, but what does is how when I wear my GK (which I do plenty in the winter) people assume it's because I am a huge fan of the show even though I've been wearing a kilt for 10 years.