"Full Blooded"

[freep]

What if I moved it to "Miscellaneous" where we talk about anything not kilt-related? Just let me know!

Father Bill for the Forum Moderators.

Well, while this thread has not directly discussed kilts, it has addressed several issues that have had no small amount of discussion on the forum in this and other more focused sections. For example, what entitles people to wear a given tartan, how to determine clan affiliation or membership, what degree of control as to the use of things generally regarded as Scottish do Scottish citizens retain and so forth. Degree of ethnicity is part and parcel of such considerations. These issues seem to me more related to kilts and things kilt-ish than they are miscellaneous. I wonder isn't there some middle ground, but it's your forum so I'll bide by your call.

[Father Bill]

Ah yes, but it's your thread!

[freep]

Thanks for the link. I've been hoping for that sort of info

I see none of the services are very good at teasing out British ancestry. My most distant known grandfather was a Tenney who arrived in Massachusetts Colony in 1639 from Yorkshire. Tenney is a Norse version of Denny or Dennis. Norsemen settled in Yorkshire. There are also Tenneys in the northeast of Scotland. As we know Norsemen also settled there. I suppose the Yorkshire Tenneys and Scots Tenneys are perhaps cousins. I'd like to know. However the various DNA services apparently aren't precise enough to give such specific answers. Bummer.

If you do a Y-DNA test and come up with R1b haplogroup, you'll have found your British Ancestry, given such is backed up by genealogical research. DNA will match you with people genetically. If you take genealogical information those matches can provide and cross reference that with family trees elsewhere such as Ancestry and what information you have on hand for your roots, you can get a pretty clear picture of whence you came.

[freep]

I had a DNA test done through ancestry.com. One thing I felt was unfortunate was that the regional classifications that they use are very broad. (Is this inevitable? - I'm not an authority on DNA.) The "Irish" category seems to include Scotland. My father's side came from Cyprus - I find that Cyprus is on the fringes of three overlapping regions (Greece/Italy, Middle East, and Caucasus), so that my DNA seems to be a mixture of all three. I don't know whether this reflects three different lines in my ancestry, or is it that a Cypriot DNA is geographically in the middle of these three regions?

Which DNA test did you have performed?
Y-DNA will tell you matches with people now living and some general geographical origins.
MT-DNA will get you no closer than 500 years or so ago and some very, very broad information about geographical origins. (And in my opinion is a waste of time.)
Autosomal testing will get you matches with living cousins.

DNA is only half of the equation. In order to narrow things down as to actual geographical origins, you need to collect data from genealogical records of your DNA matches. In other words, you need to know where the ancestors of all those DNA matches lived and that comes from family records and family trees.

[freep]

There are 26 posts to this thread and we are in the general kilt talk section, yet the word kilt has not even been used
Perhaps the OP can ask the mods to move the thread to the correct area.
Cheers

Counting your name you've just used 'kilt' thrice so that's covered, aye?

While 'kilt' may not have been specifically mentioned, the subject is, broadly, what constitutes ethnicity, are there 'full blood' populations still extant in the modern world, and does any of this relate to 'ownership' of dress and pattern, specifically kilts, tartans, clan membership and so forth.

[freep]

I would like to do DNA testing to find out if the family legend is true- if the "first settler" on the Guyandotte, John Cooke, born in London, was indeed descended from Cookes from Arran.

And if his wife, Nellie Pemberton, was Scottish, as has always been asserted.

Clan Donald has identified some markers, and if those show up, then the family story might be true.

http://clan-donald-usa.org/index.php/dna-project

The name Pemberton

http://www.ancestry.com/name-origin?surname=pemberton

Again, the advantage to Y-DNA testing in your case would be to connect you to hitherto unknown relations that might have different if not better documentation.
That said you might be able to do the same with Ancestry. com or the like.

E.g. My Mom (adoptive) always claimed John Hart, signatory of the Declaration of Independence, was our relative. Once I got into chasing all this stuff back I found that *our* John Hart was actually the grandson of John Bear Heart, a Cherokee. Were she alive, being the Missouri hillbilly she was, she'd say, "Show me."

[freep]

Ah yes, but it's your thread!

True but I tend toward the clueless.

[Father Bill]

True but I tend toward the clueless.

Do you want it moved? If so I will. Otherwise, you may continue to get good advice from your colleagues. The moderators tend not to make decisions on these smaller issues as much as with violations.

So, shall I move it?

[freep]

Do you want it moved? If so I will. Otherwise, you may continue to get good advice from your colleagues. The moderators tend not to make decisions on these smaller issues as much as with violations.

So, shall I move it?

I think not as "Miscellaneous" seems a little too vague.
I think there's enough relevance to stay here, don't you?

[Profane James]

I use the 'new posts' link each time I visit, so it's origin (or destination) won't affect me.