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22nd June 16, 06:59 AM
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Horse has left the barn is a distinct understatement. There are statistically more kilts and kilt wearers out with Scotland than there are in the cradle of the homeland. Much like the mass Irish immigration to North America after the American revolution that actually followed the multiple waves of Scot And Scots-Irish immigrations for the hundred years preceding the revolution, within a few years of arrival they became whether by desire or force Americans of scots, scots-Irish, or irish decent had to fit in while bringing bits of their old cultures along. Cherished original Appalachian music has strong Celtic roots, Calvinism and it's variants, even hillbilly language all are deeply rooted in the Celtic, particularly Scottish veins. It is natural that certain traditions like the kilt were nearly lost in NA as their value as a functional clothing item and as a symbol of ones' generally less than happy ties with the homeland (why would they have left if things were so good at home?). They took what they wanted and needed and left behind as much of their burdens (even unhappy clan ties--remember the clearances?) and started anew. But as those lean time have turned to prosperity over the decades and centuries we on this side of the water have sought out our heritage, in general the more shiny and romantic parts, to embrace as our own no matter how distant (my ow something like 14-15 generation ago in my patrilineal genealogy) which leads to Scotland, and to the symbol of Scotland, the kilt. You Jock have followed a whole different journey to reach your point in your life and heritage, with the kilt having a different in your life, lineage, and thoughts. You are "old" to the kilt while we are "new" to the kilt, and in an entirely different social social sphere where the kilt is not a uniformly worn item of clothing (far greater ethnic mixing) so we will naturally have differing views of when it should, can, and damn it will be worn. The American Irsh think corned beef and cabbage a traditional Irish meal, and it is I America, just not in Ireland. Why should the kilt be any different, especially given the longer separation in time so many of us have suffered since our own direct connection to Scotland?
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22nd June 16, 12:04 PM
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With a somewhat shorter relationship to Scotland, I brought my parents down from there for a holiday down here in Norfolk two days ago after my fathers 80th birthday a couple of days before.. Sadly missing my Nephew who flew in from Canada(Montreal) the next day to meet his parents and for the local Bo'ness fair day..
I wear the Kilt when I can, which is not often, I've, in another thread, explained the sad practicalities which prevent me wearing a kilt much of the time. So most of the time it's for formal events. The nearest general wear is for informal evenings at my various clubs.
I do note someone said they would never wear a kilt at a beach, well I would not likely wear a hand made kilt at a beach, but a cheap PV kilt is another matter.
Getting changed to swimwear in a kilt would be a lot easier than hoping a beach towel will stay up!!!
Depending On the weather, I may wear a kilt on one of the upcoming weekends, taking my parents out..
"We make a living by what we get, but we make a life by what we give"
Sir Winston Leonard Spencer-Churchill
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22nd June 16, 05:01 PM
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What do I think? I think it's pretensious to think that some would even care what you think.
A kilt, in it's basic form, isn't exclusively a Scottish garment. Therefore, you aren't entitled to an exclusive judgement, no matter your assumed authority on the subject, or even to judge those who wear, even oddly, the kilt whenever they want. Or, any other garment of their choosing.
I don't choose to wear a kilt full time, although I unequivocally support another's right to do so. Even if I'm off Scottish ancestory. Additionally, I'm a piper and the Pipe Major of our local band.
I do not care for contemporary kilts. But I don't care, also, that others choose to wear them.
Maybe I just choose to mind my own business.
Thunderbolt
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23rd June 16, 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Thunderbolt
What do I think? I think it's pretensious to think that some would even care what you think.
A kilt, in it's basic form, isn't exclusively a Scottish garment. Therefore, you aren't entitled to an exclusive judgement, no matter your assumed authority on the subject, or even to judge those who wear, even oddly, the kilt whenever they want. Or, any other garment of their choosing.
I don't choose to wear a kilt full time, although I unequivocally support another's right to do so. Even if I'm off Scottish ancestory. Additionally, I'm a piper and the Pipe Major of our local band.
I do not care for contemporary kilts. But I don't care, also, that others choose to wear them.
Maybe I just choose to mind my own business.
In my humble opinion , it's not helpful to take this approach if you disagree with someone on this forum .
Last edited by MacGumerait; 23rd June 16 at 01:17 AM.
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