Questions about jackets and vests?

[Jock Scot]

Since the jacket is shorter, do you still use a conventional length tie?

Or do you buy ties made for kilt wear?

What a good question! I cannot recall anyone ever asking that before, well done.

I don't think that I have ever heard of, or seen ties ever being made specifically shorter for wearing with the kilt. When wearing a waistcoat any surplus length can be hidden fairly easily, but with just a plain shirt, the bottom of the tie does not need to hang much below the top of the kilt, perhaps an inch is alright, but no more.The bottom of the tie tucked into the top of the kilt does not look good and is not recommended. All this depends on four things, the length of the tie, the height of the top of the kilt, your body length and aesthetics. A certain amount of trial and error is required to find the right tie that meets the above requirements.

[wombat]

Also, I'm sure a double Windsor knot on your tie will take care of any extra length. Failing that, there are larger, more complex knots to be found!

[Jock Scot]

Also, I'm sure a double Windsor knot on your tie will take care of any extra length. Failing that, there are larger, more complex knots to be found!

Just so you know, it is also very bad form to have an overly large tie knot. The windsor knot is also regarded with grave suspicion by many of the old school too!

[Father Bill]

Just so you know, it is also very bad form to have an overly large tie knot. The windsor knot is also regarded with grave suspicion by many of the old school too!

Probably better to tie it so that the front is the right length and tuck the back into the shirt where it won't be seen if it's overly long.

[Jock Scot]

Probably better to tie it so that the front is the right length and tuck the back into the shirt where it won't be seen if it's overly long.

Exactly so Bill, the surplus gets tucked in about half to three quarters of the way down the shirt, measured from top button to the top of the kilt. Not as I think the US military style has it, tucked in somewhere near the top button.

[ratspike]

Just so you know, it is also very bad form to have an overly large tie knot. The windsor knot is also regarded with grave suspicion by many of the old school too!

Is it? I had no idea, though I guess that's not surprising since I was never much of a tie guy until the last few years. I tied a windsor exactly once but thought it looked really strange on me. For the rare occasion I wear a tie now I stick with a nicky knot, mostly because it's the only one I can remember.

[wombat]

Probably better to tie it so that the front is the right length and tuck the back into the shirt where it won't be seen if it's overly long.

Thank you for the correction, Jock, and for the tip Father Bill! I hadn't thought of tucking. But then, I have worked in environments where ties were a strangle hazard prior to my current engagement, where the strangle-snake is not part of the uniform. (Such as it is.) As such, my tie-knotting repertoire extends to the single- and double Windsor, and the four-in-hand. Anything larger than a double Windsor would be too big for my taste, but look interesting from a knot-tying challenge standpoint.

[Carlo]

Just so you know, it is also very bad form to have an overly large tie knot. The windsor knot is also regarded with grave suspicion by many of the old school too!

Now I wonder why that is.
Epecially since my employer advises us to use a double windsor.

[Jock Scot]

Now I wonder why that is.
Epecially since my employer advises us to use a double windsor.

Without being silly, I suspect its because the Swiss and British have different dress conventions. In Britain, even these days, these small----minute even--- dress details do still tell others much about a person. Many will try to dismiss this, nevertheless it still happens.

[Luke MacGillie]

I actually saved a photo off of eBay a while back of what would basically appear to be a long-sleeved waistcoat. I stuck it in the "Hmmmmm....this is kind of interesting" file. We have a couple big tubs in one closet full of assorted wool tweeds and sooner or later we're going to try one. I'm not a huge fan of tartan upper garments with kilts, but I could see doing one in a nice Harris, Cairngorm or Cheviot tweed for kilt wear, or maybe even in tartan to wear with jeans.

Actually, I love that jacket, I would wear that in heartbeat, with a matching waistcoat, and diced hose........