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    Hey David,

    I may be a bit partial about the quality, so your best bet would be to listen to others on XMARKS that have BOTH a USAK Traditional and an import. They'll be the ones to REALLY listen to. You can't compare my Traditional to an Import without wearing both. Richard and Graham both (I believe) have imports as WELL as a USAK Traditional.

    My take... The PV is an 11 OZ fabric, so it IS a little lighter than your 13 oz. The swing of our PV Traditional is about the same as the swing on an 11 Oz WOOL kilt. The weight and depth of pleats (as long as the kilts are CONSTRUCTED the same way) are big parts of what gives a kilt it's swing.

    Wool is a natural fiber and PV is man made. When you rub it between your fingers, you can definitely feel a difference (the PV feels tighter woven with a definite face side and a definite back side). However, if you're just LOOKING at it, to the untrained eye, there's little to no difference. The plus side is that you can wash PV and hang it dry and it's much easier to clean. It breathes in the summer (not as hot as 13 oz wool in the MD Summer Sun) and it's MUCH cheaper than 13 oz wool.

    If you have any other questions, let me know! I hope this info helps!

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    Hey David,

    I may be a bit partial about the quality, so your best bet would be to listen to others on XMARKS that have BOTH a USAK Traditional and an import. They'll be the ones to REALLY listen to. You can't compare my Traditional to an Import without wearing both. Richard and Graham both (I believe) have imports as WELL as a USAK Traditional.

    My take... The PV is an 11 OZ fabric, so it IS a little lighter than your 13 oz. The swing of our PV Traditional is about the same as the swing on an 11 Oz WOOL kilt. The weight and depth of pleats (as long as the kilts are CONSTRUCTED the same way) are big parts of what gives a kilt it's swing.

    Wool is a natural fiber and PV is man made. When you rub it between your fingers, you can definitely feel a difference (the PV feels tighter woven with a definite face side and a definite back side). However, if you're just LOOKING at it, to the untrained eye, there's little to no difference. The plus side is that you can wash PV and hang it dry and it's much easier to clean. It breathes in the summer (not as hot as 13 oz wool in the MD Summer Sun) and it's MUCH cheaper than 13 oz wool.

    If you have any other questions, let me know! I hope this info helps!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RockyR
    Hey David,

    I may be a bit partial about the quality, so your best bet would be to listen to others on XMARKS that have BOTH a USAK Traditional and an import. They'll be the ones to REALLY listen to. You can't compare my Traditional to an Import without wearing both. Richard and Graham both (I believe) have imports as WELL as a USAK Traditional.

    My take... The PV is an 11 OZ fabric, so it IS a little lighter than your 13 oz. The swing of our PV Traditional is about the same as the swing on an 11 Oz WOOL kilt. The weight and depth of pleats (as long as the kilts are CONSTRUCTED the same way) are big parts of what gives a kilt it's swing.

    Wool is a natural fiber and PV is man made. When you rub it between your fingers, you can definitely feel a difference (the PV feels tighter woven with a definite face side and a definite back side). However, if you're just LOOKING at it, to the untrained eye, there's little to no difference. The plus side is that you can wash PV and hang it dry and it's much easier to clean. It breathes in the summer (not as hot as 13 oz wool in the MD Summer Sun) and it's MUCH cheaper than 13 oz wool.

    If you have any other questions, let me know! I hope this info helps!
    Rocky, there are also health considerations. Might be a good sell point.

    For men that have chronic problems down "there" wool can actually make the problems worse. Fungal and bacterial problems can be seriously aggrevated by wool. Especially wet or sweaty wool. For those in humid places, like me down in the South, wool can be a considerable health risk because of how it contains moisture and heat, which is what most bacteria need to breed. There are lots of well documented cases (Some from wars) of problems with wool in some environs and the health risks that go with it. There was a problem with rot duing the World Wars and the constantly damp conditions of the wool kilts.

    PV does NOT have this problem. It breaths better, cleans better, and creates a friendlier environment for problem prone areas. PV wicks moisture away, dries faster, and has a much higher evaporation rate, which actually can cool you down, keeping you several degrees cooler then ambient outside temperature.

    I personally, on the advice of my doctors, have to avoid wool.

    Just thought I would chime in with a well informed opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RockyR
    Hey David,

    I may be a bit partial about the quality, so your best bet would be to listen to others on XMARKS that have BOTH a USAK Traditional and an import. They'll be the ones to REALLY listen to. You can't compare my Traditional to an Import without wearing both. Richard and Graham both (I believe) have imports as WELL as a USAK Traditional.

    My take... The PV is an 11 OZ fabric, so it IS a little lighter than your 13 oz. The swing of our PV Traditional is about the same as the swing on an 11 Oz WOOL kilt. The weight and depth of pleats (as long as the kilts are CONSTRUCTED the same way) are big parts of what gives a kilt it's swing.

    Wool is a natural fiber and PV is man made. When you rub it between your fingers, you can definitely feel a difference (the PV feels tighter woven with a definite face side and a definite back side). However, if you're just LOOKING at it, to the untrained eye, there's little to no difference. The plus side is that you can wash PV and hang it dry and it's much easier to clean. It breathes in the summer (not as hot as 13 oz wool in the MD Summer Sun) and it's MUCH cheaper than 13 oz wool.

    If you have any other questions, let me know! I hope this info helps!
    Rocky, there are also health considerations. Might be a good sell point.

    For men that have chronic problems down "there" wool can actually make the problems worse. Fungal and bacterial problems can be seriously aggrevated by wool. Especially wet or sweaty wool. For those in humid places, like me down in the South, wool can be a considerable health risk because of how it contains moisture and heat, which is what most bacteria need to breed. There are lots of well documented cases (Some from wars) of problems with wool in some environs and the health risks that go with it. There was a problem with rot duing the World Wars and the constantly damp conditions of the wool kilts.

    PV does NOT have this problem. It breaths better, cleans better, and creates a friendlier environment for problem prone areas. PV wicks moisture away, dries faster, and has a much higher evaporation rate, which actually can cool you down, keeping you several degrees cooler then ambient outside temperature.

    I personally, on the advice of my doctors, have to avoid wool.

    Just thought I would chime in with a well informed opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RockyR
    Hey David,

    I may be a bit partial about the quality, so your best bet would be to listen to others on XMARKS that have BOTH a USAK Traditional and an import. They'll be the ones to REALLY listen to. You can't compare my Traditional to an Import without wearing both. Richard and Graham both (I believe) have imports as WELL as a USAK Traditional.

    My take... The PV is an 11 OZ fabric, so it IS a little lighter than your 13 oz. The swing of our PV Traditional is about the same as the swing on an 11 Oz WOOL kilt. The weight and depth of pleats (as long as the kilts are CONSTRUCTED the same way) are big parts of what gives a kilt it's swing.

    Wool is a natural fiber and PV is man made. When you rub it between your fingers, you can definitely feel a difference (the PV feels tighter woven with a definite face side and a definite back side). However, if you're just LOOKING at it, to the untrained eye, there's little to no difference. The plus side is that you can wash PV and hang it dry and it's much easier to clean. It breathes in the summer (not as hot as 13 oz wool in the MD Summer Sun) and it's MUCH cheaper than 13 oz wool.

    If you have any other questions, let me know! I hope this info helps!
    Rocky, there are also health considerations. Might be a good sell point.

    For men that have chronic problems down "there" wool can actually make the problems worse. Fungal and bacterial problems can be seriously aggrevated by wool. Especially wet or sweaty wool. For those in humid places, like me down in the South, wool can be a considerable health risk because of how it contains moisture and heat, which is what most bacteria need to breed. There are lots of well documented cases (Some from wars) of problems with wool in some environs and the health risks that go with it. There was a problem with rot duing the World Wars and the constantly damp conditions of the wool kilts.

    PV does NOT have this problem. It breaths better, cleans better, and creates a friendlier environment for problem prone areas. PV wicks moisture away, dries faster, and has a much higher evaporation rate, which actually can cool you down, keeping you several degrees cooler then ambient outside temperature.

    I personally, on the advice of my doctors, have to avoid wool.

    Just thought I would chime in with a well informed opinion.

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    damp kilts...

    There was a problem with rot duing the World Wars and the constantly damp conditions of the wool kilts.
    Point of clarification: kilts were not(and are still not) worn in combat after 1940 -- only certain units that were stationed in France during the "Phoney War" period of 1939-1940 wore them, such as the Cameron Highlanders. After 1940, the Scottish Regiments went to the wool battle-dress (BD). Some Scots in the Commandos wore kilts, but the Camerons are listed as the last regiment to wear them into battle.

    Rot, trench-foot, etc. was a problem for all soldiers in the First World War, and not just the Highland Regiments.

    Wool also is a very practical military garment because of its durability and insulation.

    Cheers,

    T.

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    damp kilts...

    There was a problem with rot duing the World Wars and the constantly damp conditions of the wool kilts.
    Point of clarification: kilts were not(and are still not) worn in combat after 1940 -- only certain units that were stationed in France during the "Phoney War" period of 1939-1940 wore them, such as the Cameron Highlanders. After 1940, the Scottish Regiments went to the wool battle-dress (BD). Some Scots in the Commandos wore kilts, but the Camerons are listed as the last regiment to wear them into battle.

    Rot, trench-foot, etc. was a problem for all soldiers in the First World War, and not just the Highland Regiments.

    Wool also is a very practical military garment because of its durability and insulation.

    Cheers,

    T.

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    damp kilts...

    There was a problem with rot duing the World Wars and the constantly damp conditions of the wool kilts.
    Point of clarification: kilts were not(and are still not) worn in combat after 1940 -- only certain units that were stationed in France during the "Phoney War" period of 1939-1940 wore them, such as the Cameron Highlanders. After 1940, the Scottish Regiments went to the wool battle-dress (BD). Some Scots in the Commandos wore kilts, but the Camerons are listed as the last regiment to wear them into battle.

    Rot, trench-foot, etc. was a problem for all soldiers in the First World War, and not just the Highland Regiments.

    Wool also is a very practical military garment because of its durability and insulation.

    Cheers,

    T.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadlock-Ness Monster
    Rocky, there are also health considerations. Might be a good sell point.
    another health point is that when wool burns it releases cyanide gas...not good


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    you cant go wrong with a PV USAK. I probably wont be buying from another kilt company again. these things are solid and put up to me beating the **** out of them every day. thats why I've ordered another one and hopefully my mother in law orders one like she told my wife she would. I just need about 15 more so I'm not going to be wearing the sme kilt every day at the cigar shop.

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