August 2017 Trip to Scotland

[The Q]

There were also English Jocobites too.

thats an interesting mis type...
yes from the Manchester regiment supporting the Jacobites plus others

Plus French / Irish / Scots in the service of France, although how many were just employed mercenaries and how many were genuine Jacobites is debatable. Though a high percentage of Jacobite is Likely.

and of course Germans (Hessians) and some Austrians on the British side.

[Jock Scot]

thats an interesting mis type...
yes from the Manchester regiment supporting the Jacobites plus others

Plus French / Irish / Scots in the service of France, although how many were just employed mercenaries and how many were genuine Jacobites is debatable. Though a high percentage of Jacobite is Likely.

and of course Germans (Hessians) and some Austrians on the British side.

Thank you for pointing that out!

[cessna152towser]

I'm glad you enjoyed the Trip but must point out is was not an "English" side, But a British Side, the opposition to the Jacobites included English, Welsh, Irish and Scots Men.

Technically you are correct as the Duke of Cumberland's forces were the official Army of the "British" government of the time.
I have always regarded Culloden as a civil war between Jacobites and Williamites, rather than a battle between Scottish and English, or between Scots and British.
As has already been pointed out there were Scots on the Williamite side and English on the Jacobite side.
I have never really thought of there being a "British" side at Culloden, but how we view Culloden will depend on our individual background and family history. I am a Cunningham on my father's side and while most of the Cunningham families were on the Williamite side there was at least one branch which upset the family line by supporting the Jacobites. My mother's side derived from British settlers in Ulster, supporters of the Williamite cause. Whatever, it is history, and however we view it, best to live now in harmony and not argue what is past and cannot be changed.

[ThistleDown]

Technically you are correct as the Duke of Cumberland's forces were the official Army of the "British" government of the time.
I have always regarded Culloden as a civil war between Jacobites and Williamites, rather than a battle between Scottish and English, or between Scots and British.
As has already been pointed out there were Scots on the Williamite side and English on the Jacobite side.
I have never really thought of there being a "British" side at Culloden, but how we view Culloden will depend on our individual background and family history. I am a Cunningham on my father's side and while most of the Cunningham families were on the Williamite side there was at least one branch which upset the family line by supporting the Jacobites. My mother's side derived from British settlers in Ulster, supporters of the Williamite cause. Whatever, it is history, and however we view it, best to live now in harmony and not argue what is past and cannot be changed.

With its two-sided storytelling, NTS has done a fairly good job attempting to correct the myths of the risings and, in particular, the last battle on Drummossie. Myths are more spectacular than reality, however, so sadly the fantasy will live on.

I, too, had family on both sides and even that is not well understood today. We were in force at Culloden and suffered there more than others, but less than half of the numbers we could have had present actually were. The others were kept safely at home. The division was deliberate in order to preserve for the future no matter which side triumphed. The chief and some of his lads were away with William's forces and his wife and a young chieftain raised the half-measure for Charles. The Lady gets credit for being a leader, and the Laird is hardly mentioned in history's books. But their decision saved the estates and The Lady came home from a brief stint in a comfortable prison to produce offspring for the future.