August 2017 Trip to Scotland

**cessna152towser** · 19th December 16, 03:57 AM

I'm glad you enjoyed the Trip but must point out is was not an "English" side, But a British Side, the opposition to the Jacobites included English, Welsh, Irish and Scots Men.

Technically you are correct as the Duke of Cumberland's forces were the official Army of the "British" government of the time.
I have always regarded Culloden as a civil war between Jacobites and Williamites, rather than a battle between Scottish and English, or between Scots and British.
As has already been pointed out there were Scots on the Williamite side and English on the Jacobite side.
I have never really thought of there being a "British" side at Culloden, but how we view Culloden will depend on our individual background and family history. I am a Cunningham on my father's side and while most of the Cunningham families were on the Williamite side there was at least one branch which upset the family line by supporting the Jacobites. My mother's side derived from British settlers in Ulster, supporters of the Williamite cause. Whatever, it is history, and however we view it, best to live now in harmony and not argue what is past and cannot be changed.

**Standard** · 19th December 16, 08:33 AM

Originally Posted by The Q

I'm glad you enjoyed the Trip but must point out is was not an "English" side, But a British Side, the opposition to the Jacobites included English, Welsh, Irish and Scots Men.

Ah, quite right, I must have been sleepy when I posted that. No offense meant. My clan, the Shaw clan was in the ranks of the Jacobites.

**ThistleDown** · 19th December 16, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by cessna152towser

Technically you are correct as the Duke of Cumberland's forces were the official Army of the "British" government of the time.
I have always regarded Culloden as a civil war between Jacobites and Williamites, rather than a battle between Scottish and English, or between Scots and British.
As has already been pointed out there were Scots on the Williamite side and English on the Jacobite side.
I have never really thought of there being a "British" side at Culloden, but how we view Culloden will depend on our individual background and family history. I am a Cunningham on my father's side and while most of the Cunningham families were on the Williamite side there was at least one branch which upset the family line by supporting the Jacobites. My mother's side derived from British settlers in Ulster, supporters of the Williamite cause. Whatever, it is history, and however we view it, best to live now in harmony and not argue what is past and cannot be changed.

With its two-sided storytelling, NTS has done a fairly good job attempting to correct the myths of the risings and, in particular, the last battle on Drummossie. Myths are more spectacular than reality, however, so sadly the fantasy will live on.

I, too, had family on both sides and even that is not well understood today. We were in force at Culloden and suffered there more than others, but less than half of the numbers we could have had present actually were. The others were kept safely at home. The division was deliberate in order to preserve for the future no matter which side triumphed. The chief and some of his lads were away with William's forces and his wife and a young chieftain raised the half-measure for Charles. The Lady gets credit for being a leader, and the Laird is hardly mentioned in history's books. But their decision saved the estates and The Lady came home from a brief stint in a comfortable prison to produce offspring for the future.

**The Q** · 20th December 16, 02:06 AM

Originally Posted by Standard

Ah, quite right, I must have been sleepy when I posted that. No offense meant. My clan, the Shaw clan was in the ranks of the Jacobites.

No offence was taken I was just trying to correct the often confusion between Scotland / England / Britain and it's convoluted History.

Of course being a Stewart we had family on both the Jacobite and Williamite / Hanoverian sides and I think still do...

**Nervous Jock** · 18th January 17, 03:52 PM

If you have a spare hour or two in Glasgow go out to the Titan Crane in Clydebank

modern Scottish history

http://www.titanclydebank.com/

**David Dubh** · 18th January 17, 10:11 PM

As has been said you have some excellent recommendations. I would second not trying to do it all, my wife and I were there in 2011 and traveled significantly we had places we needed to see but didn't even see the whole royal mile. My wife thought Inverness was beautiful and would go back in a heartbeat. We enjoyed clava cairns culloden was a must see but eerie. Just enjoy your time and then you an plan your return and see what you missed first time round 😳

**ThistleDown** · 18th January 17, 10:30 PM

The key is not to do the usual Dash-Around-Dash-Around. We do things differently when we travel -- you should try it. We settle in for a week or two or three in a place that intrigues us, Tuscany, California, Timbuktu and then day-trip as the whim or the climate calls us. I have a stunning memory of two or maybe three days when I was so overwhelmed by a place and my feeling about it that I simply stayed and absorbed. I had been there several times before, but for some reason this visit took a different course -- thanks be to my god of travel.

Be forever flexible. Choose some 'subjects' for your visit, but give them lots of time to settle in and become part of you. Scotland is outstanding, beyond your wildest dreams, far above and beyond. Sip it. Take it slowly. And you will come back again and again for the pure love of it.

Check in. We may be at home when you are here.

**Livingston** · 23rd January 17, 01:51 PM

right now the plan is to arrive in Glasgow and spend a few nights there. Head up to Lismore/Oban and spend a few there. Then up to Inverness for some more time. Then head to the Tattoo and finally back to Glasgow to come home. Looking at about 17 to 19 days. Of course there will be day trips from each of those locations. Most of the trip will be very lightly scheduled, just be in those areas at specific times +/- a day.

**Nomad** · 29th January 17, 01:10 AM

Originally Posted by Livingston

right now the plan is to arrive in Glasgow and spend a few nights there. Head up to Lismore/Oban and spend a few there. Then up to Inverness for some more time. Then head to the Tattoo and finally back to Glasgow to come home. Looking at about 17 to 19 days. Of course there will be day trips from each of those locations. Most of the trip will be very lightly scheduled, just be in those areas at specific times +/- a day.

Hope you have a good time, I'm doing something similar in June. My better half, who like me has Scottish mother and English father said she wanted to tour Scotland, so with a weak pound I thought I would do it this year. My itenary is travel from Wiltshire, a couple of nights in Falkirk to see her mother, then 3 nights each in Inverness, Skye, Fort William, a 2 nighter round loch lomand, travel down to Galloway for a day with my parents, then home for a rest.

If I ignore a trip to Scapa flow for diving and 2 torturous years living in benbecula (thanks Army) it will be my first time around those parts since I was 12. I am hoping the weather is the same (1976 was the major heatwave of my lifetime) but won't hold my breath.

Just a word of warning, the midgies will be rampant in August, take lots of bug spray or like me a sacrificial offering that attracts them, they love darling wife.

Hope you have a fantastic trip.

**fflex** · 29th January 17, 05:44 AM

I will be home in August, based out of Falkirk. We have booked our tickets for the Edinburgh Tattoo and just booked for the Jacobite train trip at Fort William. I've heard it is advisable to book ahead for some events as tickets often sell out.