Jacobite shirt

[ELY]

I could be wrong, but it's clan cian of ely. I've seen that, but dismissed it because it seems as though it's not really the clan Ely, but Cian of Ely. What I did find was that there were Ely's that lived in an area around Fife, in Scotland. https://www.ancestry.co.uk/name-origin?surname=Ely

Click on the scotland link.

Not many there. As I said, at least in my case, they went to England.

Hmmm...I found some info in the link below. Ely is the place, and Cian is the clan. I am thinking that somewhere in or around the 1600s, the clan may have split into those keeping Cian of Ely those favoring Ely. Just an assumption, as Scottish geneology is totally new to me. But, in defense of my apparent ignorance, 1, I just found out about this heritage last month, and 2, Cian is a color, and I just assumed the tartan was named 'Blue of Ely'...
...and yes, I know what happens when I assume...

http://carrollgen.org.uk/clancian.htm

[Bruce Scott]

Hmmm...I found some info in the link below. Ely is the place, and Cian is the clan. I am thinking that somewhere in or around the 1600s, the clan may have split into those keeping Cian of Ely those favoring Ely. Just an assumption, as Scottish geneology is totally new to me. But, in defense of my apparent ignorance, 1, I just found out about this heritage last month, and 2, Cian is a color, and I just assumed the tartan was named 'Blue of Ely'...
...and yes, I know what happens when I assume...

http://carrollgen.org.uk/clancian.htm

There's more on Clan Cian here: http://clancian-ocarroll.com/index.html

[Edit] Here too: https://books.google.com.au/books?id...reland&f=false

[macmanjim]

There's more on Clan Cian here: http://clancian-ocarroll.com/index.html

Ely, or Éile, is in Ireland.

Also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elie_and_Earlsferry

[Stoff]

Back to the shirt question. If you want to wear a historic themed shirt and want it to be historically correct I would suggest either doing the research and making it yourself or find a reputable reenacting source and purchasing one. I have several linen and linen/cotton blend historically correct shirts from various eras, from 16th century to 19th century, that I wear, along with doublets, jerkins and waistcoats to compliment and enhance.

Stoff

[ELY]

Back to the shirt question. If you want to wear a historic themed shirt and want it to be historically correct I would suggest either doing the research and making it yourself or find a reputable reenacting source and purchasing one. I have several linen and linen/cotton blend historically correct shirts from various eras, from 16th century to 19th century, that I wear, along with doublets, jerkins and waistcoats to compliment and enhance.

Stoff

Thank you. It isn't that we want it historically correct, it is that the full PC/Jacket/waistcoat thing is way too hot and formal for our wedding. It is Scottish themed, but not medieval, if you know what I mean. We had looked at the jacobite shirt as an alternative because we saw it for sale all over the place, and thought it would be cooler for the temps we can have here. But we don't want to wear a costume.
I have been researching (jeeze I am learning more about kilts and tartans than I ever knew about wearing jeans!!!) and have a slight grasp of what we can do, but just needed opinions from real kilt wearers, not just manufacturers.

[Stoff]

Thank you. It isn't that we want it historically correct, it is that the full PC/Jacket/waistcoat thing is way too hot and formal for our wedding. It is Scottish themed, but not medieval, if you know what I mean. We had looked at the jacobite shirt as an alternative because we saw it for sale all over the place, and thought it would be cooler for the temps we can have here. But we don't want to wear a costume.
I have been researching (jeeze I am learning more about kilts and tartans than I ever knew about wearing jeans!!!) and have a slight grasp of what we can do, but just needed opinions from real kilt wearers, not just manufacturers.

Then go with what you want and don't worry over much about what others think. It is your wedding after all. After all the "Jacobite" style shirt is real close to an 18th century shirt pattern and if make from natural fabric, such as silk, linen or cotton, is quite comfortable.

[kingandrew]

I know I am perhaps in a minority on X marks, but I personally have no problem with the Jacobite/pirate style shirt. I don't think of it as being any more "historically authentic" than the turtlenecks or polos I also wear with the kilt for casual occasions. Jacobite shirts are just another modern fashion that is comfortable and looks good with the kilt. Unless I am participating in a historical re-enacting event, I don't worry about whether my clothes are "period," since the period I am representing is today.

That said, for a wedding I would definitely tend to dress up a bit more. I would at least be wearing what we in the US call a dress shirt, meaning the kind of cotton broadcloth button-up that you wear with a coat and tie. I have lived much of my life in Florida, which is certainly as hot and humid as Spain, and I've always worn such shirts to weddings, unless I was in the groom's party and had to wear the formal "tux" shirt. You can definitely find a comfortable cotton shirt and since it's your wedding, you choose whether to wear a tie or not.

At any rate, the tartan looks great and I wish all newlyweds well. Getting married was the best decision I've ever made and I hope you enjoy the same kind of happiness my wife and I have.

Andrew