What Collar/Shirt with Sherrifmuir and/or Ruche Cravat?

[Graeme H]

Always a wing collar with a rouche, or any cravat worn over the collar and not underneath - in the case of a self-tie rouche the pleating is a little bulky to sit under a turndown collar you see! Most rouches these days are clip on which is a shame as the adjustable band is viewable on the back of the collar. I would urge you to get a proper double-ended one for this reason, and also because (as with a bow tie) they always look that much nicer they are tied as a half-Windsor, fyi.

[KiltedSergeant]

OC Richard- The history is interesting. As for the Jabot, as it is generally considered (correct me if I'm wrong here) "white tie" I doubt that I'll ever wear one. I've been to many black tie events in my PC or Argyll; I've never been to a white tie event, nor ever invited to one, and doubt that I ever will be. I will wear it with a ruche cravat, or possibly bow tie, but I don't think it looks good with the bow tie. I think it would look decent with a standard neck tie, but the jacket itself, I believe, looks too formal for that. The photos were helpful. I had found some on line, but they were not clear enough to see the shirt. I blew yours up to 200% and, though blurry, I could learn a bit more. Thanks.

Taskr- Thanks. That's the conclusion I've come to.

Graeme H- Thanks as well for the good advice.

[Taskr]

With my Sheriffmuir, I wear a stock tie and wing-tip shirt. It took some practice to get it just right; it gets complimented

[MacRobert's Reply]

I wear a Sheriffmuir with either a five-button waistcoat, turn-down collar and black bow tie or a six or seven button waistcoat, collarless shirt and highland cravat (like a stock tie but with lace on both ends).

[KiltedSergeant]

I wear a Sheriffmuir with either a five-button waistcoat, turn-down collar and black bow tie or a six or seven button waistcoat, collarless shirt and highland cravat (like a stock tie but with lace on both ends).

By "turn-down" collar are you referring to what I would call a wing tip collar? Also, I can't picture the highland cravat, and can't find it on line. You wouldn't have a photo would you? Or, a link to a site where I could see one?

One of the appealing features of the Sheriffmuire, to me, is that I can wear it with my 5 and 6 button tartan waistcoats, as you do.

Thanks!

[tripleblessed]

As I have mentioned elsewhere, in my current life I have no need for formal attire. If the occasion should arise, and any here
spot me in a ruche tie, please contact the nearest veterinarian and have me put down, as I will clearly have passed my sell-by
date. I have never seen one tied in a way that did not appear sloppy and inappropriate. Perhaps it can be done; I have never
encountered such.

The above should be considered personal opinion only, not advice. Any photo of me will clearly demonstrate my lack of sartorial
elegance.

[Hirsty]

I love my Sherrifmuir doublet. Unfortunately, I cannot find a picture of me in it at present and I cannot throw it on as my shoulder has been immobilised by a rather nasty car and consequent operation. However, I tend to wear it with a jabot sans cuffs or (rarely) with a bow tie. On both occasions with a wingtip collar. The jabot hides the wingtips. I picked it up from a historical costume shop for about £15.
Whilst the jabot is more white tie, I have worn it at a black tie Brewers and Distillers Guild dinner. Distillers tend not to be shy after a few drams but there were no negative comments.
Please note that this is just me though and, as mentioned previously, there is no set-in-stone rules due to the relative youthfulness of this doublet. Try on a couple of tie types and see what is aesthetically pleasing to you.

[Graeme H]

By "turn-down" collar are you referring to what I would call a wing tip collar?

A turndown collar is a traditional shirt collar, ie what you would normally see with a suit and tie. It's proper name is actually a "collar-attached" shirt.

[KiltedSergeant]

I wear a Sheriffmuir with either a five-button waistcoat, turn-down collar and black bow tie or a six or seven button waistcoat, collarless shirt and highland cravat (like a stock tie but with lace on both ends).

I can't picture what you mean by a highland cravat. I researched online, but came up empty handed. Is a clarification, or photo possible? Thanks!

[MacRobert's Reply]

The photos I have wearing a highland cravat, unfortunately, show it tucked into the waistcoat ... the safest place when dining. It is tied with a coachman's knot. When not tucked in it looks very similar to a jabot. However a jabot displays 4 or more layers of lace whereas the cravat only shows the lace on the two ends.
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This is a late 19th Century (possibly very early 20th) one.
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