In search of tweed.

**Jock Scot** · 11th February 18, 04:10 AM

Dual post. Post deleted.
J.S..

**Jock Scot** · 11th February 18, 04:25 AM

Originally Posted by OC Richard

I think those are using the term "Balmoral tweed" in a general marketing sense.

As opposed to "Balmoral Estate tweed" which is the tweed used on that estate.

BTW there's a book, which I've not seen in person

https://www.johnstonscashmere.com/us...eeds-book.html

That is the book that I have quoted from, in a post above.

I think we all need to also understand, whilst there is a genuine description of Estate tweed and some----quite a few-----are still restricted to estate use and you don't need to be a Royal to do that, but not all. Why?

Some estates have been sold and are now owned by new owners, who may have dispensed with the original estate tweed and designed their own. Or the original owner of the tweed may have taken it with him upon the sale of his estate. Or, the Estate has ceased to exist. Or, the owners have changed the tweed because of acres of forestry now grow where once heather grew thus needing a re-think on colours and hues. Or, a new wife arrived and changed the tweed more to her liking(I kid you not!) -----and so on. There is also I think, a generic description of tweed sold on the open market that belongs to no particular estate and is just "of that style".

**OC Richard** · 11th February 18, 05:51 AM

Originally Posted by Jock Scot

Some estates have been sold and are now owned by new owners...

Didn't the Balmoral Estate change hands in 1937? I wonder if there was a tweed change at that time.

**Jock Scot** · 11th February 18, 05:58 AM

O.C. R..

As far as I am aware the Balmoral Estate has been the personal property of the Monarch since the 1850's. The Balmoral Tartan was designed by Prince Albert sometime before 1857 and the Balmoral Estate tweed, also designed by Prince Albert(I think) was about in the 1850's too, and is still worn with pride by Balmoral Estate staff to this day.

**Luke MacGillie** · 11th February 18, 06:22 AM

Originally Posted by OC Richard

I think those are using the term "Balmoral tweed" in a general marketing sense.

As opposed to "Balmoral Estate tweed" which is the tweed used on that estate.

BTW there's a book, which I've not seen in person

https://www.johnstonscashmere.com/us...eeds-book.html

Yes, that is what I was trying to say, but seems I was unable to compose the words

"Just throw some gears on it" type thing

**figheadair** · 11th February 18, 06:22 AM

[QUOTE=Jock Scot;1353194]

As far as I am aware the Balmoral Estate has been the personal property of the Monarch since the 1850's.

Balmoral was purchased for Queen Victoria by Prince Albert in 1852, having been first leased in 1848.

The Balmoral Tartan was designed by Prince Albert sometime before 1857 and the Balmoral Estate tweed, also designed by Prince Albert(I think) was about in the 1850's too, and is still worn with pride by Balmoral Estate staff to this day.

I very much that Prince Albert designed either. He may have come up with the idea but the technicalities, especially of the Balmoral Tartan, would have required a weaver to do the actual design work. When first woven the Tartan was worn by the Ghillies, the Royal Family continued to wear the Royal Stewart until the 1870/1880s when the Royals started wearing the Balmoral tartan too.

**Jock Scot** · 11th February 18, 06:32 AM

I can only quote from Scottish Estate Tweed , by Johnstons of Elgin, page 99, who state quite clearly that Prince Albert is given the credit of designing the Balmoral tartan, but they are not quite so clear on who designed the tweed. However local hearsay does give him the credit. Who am I to argue?

**Fedgunner** · 11th February 18, 04:16 PM

Ok, the Balmoral is right out. The thread discussing Donegal tweed provided me with some nice choices however.

**Farmer Jones** · 11th February 18, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by Luke MacGillie

https://www.countryattire.com/christ...ark-green.html

https://www.hawesandcurtis.com/blue-...p-hhcos301-b03

Just a couple of links, both saying they are "Balmoral Tweed", but looking totally different

I do believe that Balmoral here refers to the exact shape and style of the cap, as opposed to the tweed, and when they say Balmoral tweed cap they mean that style of hat made of tweed. As for instance in these items:
https://www.ahume.co.uk/ainsley-balmoral-cap-p2648

http://www.furfeatherandfin.com/product/364/cy28/balmoral-classic-tweed-caps.html