To my kilted brethren who offered help,- thankyou, thankyou! Magnus, you were particularly supportive and since then, and after more dialog with Rocky, I placed my order for a Philabeg in MacBeth tartan. Am really looking forward to receiving it. This will be kilt number two in the present series. The one I wear now is a homemade in the Black Watch Dress which I found at a sale. I also have a traditional Sutherland on it's way from Scotland and am seriously considering an 8 yard from Bear. If any of you folks are within hailing distance of Vancouver and are planning to be at the kilt night on the 4th, please give me a shout. Thanks again.- keep swingin' -Longforgan