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    Quote Originally Posted by Nathan View Post
    WI could be fairly accused of occasionally over dressing a touch for some of the events I attend.
    Better than under dressing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manu View Post
    Aside the differences between east and west of the Atlantic and the discussed personal flair...how does my generation (mid 30s) wear the kilt in scotland? Do they stick to the traditional highland way? Is there a more contemporary flair that the younger folks adopt when wearing the kilt? Oor can we expect those younger men to approach kilt wearing the same way those of the older generations?
    Good questions. Not easy to answer though! I will try to give you a few impressions though.

    It all depends whether the Scottish Mid 30's come from the Highlands and from a kilt wearing family, or they come from the Lowlands and from a non kilt wearing family. The demarcation lines are not that precisely marked in real life, but as a huge generalisation it actually runs fairly true.

    If a Mid 30's lad from a kilt wearing family then access to Grand parents, Great Grand parents and even Great Great Grand parents kilt attire in the form of sporrans, sporran chains, bespoke kilts are available and even more importantly, generations of kilt attire know how. The end result is that the mid 30's lad from this sort of background, ends up dressing pretty traditionally.

    Those from a non kilt wearing back ground who actually want to wear the kilt often buy the cheaper off the peg kilt attire, hire it when needed, or don't ever bother with the kilt.

    Remember that the utility style kilts are not seen often in Scotland-----I think that I have only seen three here. Bespoke kilt attire is still the aim of many young kilt wearers, they will often not buy kilt attire until they can buy the best. I think, particularly in the Lowlands where kilt attire knowledge is scarce then, the North American attitude to kilts is understandably the easiest option.

    Now, these are my impressions based on observations that I have gained over the years and of course there will be exceptions to what I have said, as there always are. However, if you go to the search section on this website look for two threads started by me "Jock Scot" titled "Food For Thought" and "Food For Thought Two(F4T2)" . They are couple of amateur surveys that I did in Scotland which should not be regarded as to what ALL kilt wearers in Scotland think, nevertheless you may find the answers to the questions enlightening. Let me know what you think?
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    Thanks for your answer Jock. You created the picture I suspected would be the case. The reason I asked is because, generally speaking, it's the younger generation that pushes the envelope with fashion and how they portray themselves through their attire adding a personal flair, which to some of the older folks might seem outrageous or obnoxious in certain ways. So, I wanted to see how often you see those younger kilt wearers from know how kilt wearing families approach their attire, and it seems to me that they keep on the conservative side, without personal flair I'd say. I personally like to think outside the box to some extent with my kilted attire, and personal flair helps us not look like kilted power rangers, same outfits in different colors

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manu View Post
    Thanks for your answer Jock. You created the picture I suspected would be the case. The reason I asked is because, generally speaking, it's the younger generation that pushes the envelope with fashion and how they portray themselves through their attire adding a personal flair, which to some of the older folks might seem outrageous or obnoxious in certain ways. So, I wanted to see how often you see those younger kilt wearers from know how kilt wearing families approach their attire, and it seems to me that they keep on the conservative side, without personal flair I'd say. I personally like to think outside the box to some extent with my kilted attire, and personal flair helps us not look like kilted power rangers, same outfits in different colors
    Actually personal flair is very traditional in the Highlands, not particularly apparent with day attire to those outwith the Highlands, its there though, but very noticeable as the formality for evening attire creeps up towards the higher end of the scale. Particularly in the Western Highlands.

    Interestingly, it appears that over dressing for any given event is a very North American thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jock Scot View Post
    Interestingly, it appears that over dressing for any given event is a very North American thing.
    I would both agree and disagree with you, Jock. I think that day-to-day attire in N.A. has declined to the level of disgusting and tawdry, which may explain in an odd way why over-dressing for an event may be in vogue - an opportunity to escape the trashiness of day-to-day.

    Personally, I have always, ALWAYS dressed slightly better than average. In 1971-72 at teachers' college, I was one of two in our class who actually wore a jacket and tie every day. In the classroom and school office, I continued to do that, and only in my last year or two declined to a very dressy sweater and tie. I dislike dressing in jeans/dungarees for day-wear and when I do on occasion wear jeans, they're black, not blue because I find the black a half-notch better looking.

    I know you've encouraged me to dress down my kilt a bit (and I'm doing that!) but the over-dress is personal more than it's a highland-wear sort of thing.

    Ah well; we canna' all be Jock!
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    You are coming along nicely Bill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jock Scot View Post
    You are coming along nicely Bill.
    Bless your kind old heart, my friend!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jock Scot View Post
    Personal flair is a very personal addition to ones attire and it is sometimes very difficult to strike the optimum balance, therefore we really do need to be very honest with ourselves when looking in the mirror, before we head out. When we add, the complication of personal interpretation of what we see in that mirror, particularly if one is a bit of a showman, then personal flair can be easily overdone. I think if we then add in the further complication of being in the company of those that make their attire decisions from photographs and the internet and their peers who also have little real experience of how kilt attire is worn in the real world then sadly, these kilt wearers who also don't have have a lifetimes knowledge of kilt attire, then the chances of sometimes looking like a film extra from a Rob Roy film is almost inevitable. Alright I exaggerate, but I think, I hope, you can see my point.

    I am sorry if this is being hard, but that is how I and others, not everyone of course, over here see it and make no mistake we all have dropped the odd howler with our attire from time to time! Personal flair is like walking on ice, take little steps and testing ones footing is best course of action and even then the ice gives way suddenly when we have taken a step too far.
    Jock,

    As always, I appreciate your input and your skill at scathing understatement.

    As I’ve demonstrated with old photos in the past, I certainly have a lifetime of experience of kilt wearing in the real world, I just come from a different corner of the real world than the one to which you were doubtless referring. I also conceded that I can be fairly accused of over dressing a little from time to time but I do so with the comfort of knowing I really like the way I’m turned out. Am I a bit of a showman? Quite literally, yes. I’m a busy Celtic musician. I like my attire to stand out a bit rather than blending into the hedges. That said, I also think there is ample precedent within the tradition for every attire choice I make. Chacun à son gôut, mon ami!
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    Personal flair is important. It's shown not so much, I think, in the choice of accessories as in the style of those accessories.

    The question a lot of folks here need to ask themselves is whether they want to dress as a Scot would, or just wear Scottish clothes the way they like them.

    I prefer the former and that requires careful attention and learning. The result is that I have some accessories that may soon be for sale.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nathan View Post
    Jock,

    As always, I appreciate your input and your skill at scathing understatement.

    As I’ve demonstrated with old photos in the past, I certainly have a lifetime of experience of kilt wearing in the real world, I just come from a different corner of the real world than the one to which you were doubtless referring. I also conceded that I can be fairly accused of over dressing a little from time to time but I do so with the comfort of knowing I really like the way I’m turned out. Am I a bit of a showman? Quite literally, yes. I’m a busy Celtic musician. I like my attire to stand out a bit rather than blending into the hedges. That said, I also think there is ample precedent within the tradition for every attire choice I make. Chacun à son gôut, mon ami!
    Actually Nathan, you did not occur to me as I wrote my piece, but as we say over here, "if the cap fits then by all means wear it."
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