The Checkered/Diced Tie

**McMurdo** · 22nd July 18, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by Jock Scot

Traditional kilt attire is not and never has been frozen in time, so yes it does "stretch out further" than many assume. Take Prince Charles's tweed kilt jackets for example, an oft used example of traditional kilt attire in action on this website, few if any, of his tweed day jackets have fancy cuffs or epaulettes.

True Jock, however they are cut to be worn with the kilt. For me a Saxon suit jacket with a kilt is a bridge too far, even in a contemporary setting it looks sloppy and unkempt to my eye as the jacket interferes will the pleats. At least with a kilt jacket the bottom of the jacket meets the fell.

Patrick I think the tie is fine, the jacket is not. Sorry but it's just never going to work.

**Jock Scot** · 22nd July 18, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by McMurdo

True Jock, however they are cut to be worn with the kilt. For me a Saxon suit jacket with a kilt is a bridge too far, even in a contemporary setting it looks sloppy and unkempt to my eye as the jacket interferes will the pleats. At least with a kilt jacket the bottom of the jacket meets the fell.

Patrick I think the tie is fine, the jacket is not. Sorry but it's just never going to work.

Personally I give contemporary kilt wearers some leeway with their attire and I quite agree to a traditionalist's eyes a saxon cut jacket does look sloppy when worn with the kilt. However, I am no expert on contemporary kilt attire mainly because I see so little of it in the wild over here and therefore I hesitate to be too emphatic on the pros and cons of that style of kilt attire.

**PatrickHughes123** · 22nd July 18, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by McMurdo

Sorry but it's just never going to work.

That is okay, I have heard it before. I don't usually go for the suit kilt style, I usually wear a Ghillie Shirt with a fly plaid, I was just trying something new. Thanks for your honesty.

Maybe, I will just do a shirt and checkered tie next time.

**McMurdo** · 22nd July 18, 04:14 PM

I have to say I'm not a fan of the ghille shirt or the fly plaid especially on a shirt. I suppose that is the great thing we all come to this with different ideas.

**PatrickHughes123** · 22nd July 18, 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by McMurdo

I have to say I'm not a fan of the ghille shirt or the fly plaid especially on a shirt. I suppose that is the great thing we all come to this with different ideas.

People wear it with t-shirts?

A Ghillie Shirt is a Renaissance-style shirt made in recent times, not a t-shirt.

**Liam** · 22nd July 18, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by PatrickHughes123

That is okay, I have heard it before. I don't usually go for the suit kilt style, I usually wear a Ghillie Shirt with a fly plaid, I was just trying something new. Thanks for your honesty.

Maybe, I will just do a shirt and checkered tie next time.

Consider wearing a jumper (sweater) along with your kilt and tie for a semi dressy look.

**PatrickHughes123** · 22nd July 18, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by Liam

Consider wearing a jumper (sweater) along with your kilt and tie for a semi dressy look.

If I ever get any, I will. I may have one buried deep in my wardrobe.

**McMurdo** · 22nd July 18, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by PatrickHughes123

People wear it with t-shirts?

A Ghillie Shirt is a Renaissance-style shirt made in recent times, not a t-shirt.

I've seen it done, and we would disagree on what a ghillie shirt is. Nonetheless I find a fly plaid completely over the top and for the most part unnecessary even when paired with a jacket. The only time it's close to acceptable is perhaps when one is getting married, but even then it's best left in the wardrobe, better still left in the shop in the first place.

**PatrickHughes123** · 22nd July 18, 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by McMurdo

I've seen it done, and we would disagree on what a ghillie shirt is. Nonetheless I find a fly plaid completely over the top and for the most part unnecessary even when paired with a jacket. The only time it's close to acceptable is perhaps when one is getting married, but even then it's best left in the wardrobe, better still left in the shop in the first place.

Not a fan of Prince Charlie Jackets to be honest, I only really like the Ghillie Shirt. And I love the fly plaid. I think more people should wear it but it really is up to them, same goes for the day plaid.

I have some Scottish patriot t-shirts that can be worn with the kilt. But I hardly ever wear them, I plan to in future though. NEVER with a fly plaid I don't think.

**McMurdo** · 22nd July 18, 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by PatrickHughes123

Not a fan of Prince Charlie Jackets to be honest, I only really like the Ghillie Shirt. And I love the fly plaid. I think more people should wear it but it really is up to them, same goes for the day plaid.

I have some Scottish patriot t-shirts that can be worn with the kilt. But I hardly ever wear them, I plan to in future though. NEVER with a fly plaid I don't think.

I do like a day plaid, I am not a huge fan of a Prince Charlie, but do have one for Black Tie, I would rather use one of my doublets instead. As for fly plaids I really have a problem with them but have just as big an aversion to the Ghillie shirt, both together is enough to turn my stomach to be honest.