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                                                1st March 21, 01:44 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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			Black Watch officer's in the Boer war
		
			
				
					Over our lockdown I've put this impression together.
   
	
	
	
	
		
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                                                2nd March 21, 11:13 AM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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	Nice!  If I may ask, where did the khaki spats come from?
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by rsvpiper   Over our lockdown I've put this impression together. 
	
	
		
                        
                                
                                        
                                                2nd March 21, 11:30 AM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					Hi Toby They are just cheap one's off ebay dyed khaki.
 
	
	
	
	
		
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                                                3rd March 21, 01:30 AM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					if my memory serves me, the Black Watch officers' sporrans of the 19th and early 20th centuries were made of goat hair, not horse hair as later, and had a slightly different shape.Sporran belt was really black, not white?
 
	
	
	
	
		
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                                                3rd March 21, 01:50 AM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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	I would love a goat hair sporran however they are like rocking horse ***** to find with a cost to go with it🤪 sporran belt should be white buff leather I'm thinking which is in the pipeline
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by blackwatch70   if my memory serves me, the Black Watch officers' sporrans of the 19th and early 20th centuries were made of goat hair, not horse hair as later, and had a slightly different shape.Sporran belt was really black, not white?
 I've more pictures but for the life of me can't get them to upload!
 
	
	
	
	
		
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                                                3rd March 21, 12:51 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					It's interesting about the hair sporrans in the mid-to-late 19th century and early 20th century. 
 I think, looking at the photos, that many were horsehair, yet there was a different fashion or style of how the bottom should look.
 
 For the entire Victorian period it was generally the fashion to have the bottom of the hair a bit scraggly-looking. Since this is seen over and over, and from the people who pay the utmost attention to their kit (like RSMs, Pipe Majors, Drum Majors, etc) it must have been intentional. In other words we're not seeing old worn-out sporrans in poor nick, but sporrans looking the way these people wanted them to look.
 
 "Scraggly" isn't the right word, but the sporrans are made so that the various hairs end at various lengths, like when a beautician "feathers" somebody's hair. The hair isn't chopped clean off in a straight line or perfect curve.
 
 
  
 
  
 Though this "feathered" look is generally what I see when I look over old photos, it certainly isn't universal, and I do see some sporrans with the more modern trimmed look
 
 
  
 Specifically looking at the Black Watch, here c1855 you see the feathered look
 
 
  
 In the 1856-1866 period
 
 
  
 Now we're getting closer to the target period, I'm guessing this is 1890-1900
 
 
  
 Here's a photo showing extremely well-groomed, yet feathered, sporrans
 
 
  
 Unfortunately all the Boer War photos I have have been crudely coloured, the paint daubed on the hose-tops overlapping the bottoms of the sporrans.
 
 Here, though, around WWI we can see the more trimmed hair is starting to happen
 
 
  
 I'm so used to seeing that vintage look that the thing you sometimes see nowadays where they chop the sporran straight across looks strange to me. Note that some of the sporrans are cut straight, some are cut in a gentle curve.
 
 
   
				
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                                                3rd March 21, 01:02 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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	Definitely on the to do list if I can bring myself to take scissors to my sporran 😜
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by OC Richard   It's interesting about the hair sporrans in the mid-to-late 19th century and early 20th century.  
I think, looking at the photos, that many were horsehair, yet there was a different fashion or style of how the bottom should look. 
 
For the entire Victorian period it was generally the fashion to have the bottom of the hair a bit scraggly-looking. Since this is seen over and over, and from the people who pay the utmost attention to their kit (like RSMs, Pipe Majors, Drum Majors, etc) it must have been intentional. In other words we're not seeing old worn-out sporrans in poor nick, but sporrans looking the way these people wanted them to look. 
 
"Scraggly" isn't the right word, but the sporrans are made so that the various hairs end at various lengths, like when a beautician "feathers" somebody's hair. The hair isn't chopped clean off in a straight line or perfect curve. 
     
Though this "feathered" look is generally what I see when I look over old photos, it certainly isn't universal, and I do see some sporrans with the more modern trimmed look
   
Specifically looking at the Black Watch, here c1855 you see the feathered look
  
	
	
		
                        
                                
                                        
                                                5th March 21, 04:52 AM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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	This is a little off-topic, but I've been wondering: how the heck do you keep your vast stores of photos/paintings/illustrations organized so you can find photos on a specific particular topic like this and your other "photo archive" responses?  They're very helpful for illustrating differences across history.  But...how!?
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by OC Richard   I think, looking at the photos, that many were horsehair, yet there was a different fashion or style of how the bottom should look. 
	
	
		
                        
                                
                                        
                                                5th March 21, 07:08 AM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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	i would just make different photo albums on my phone and call them something i would remember them by
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by MichiganKyle   This is a little off-topic, but I've been wondering: how the heck do you keep your vast stores of photos/paintings/illustrations organized so you can find photos on a specific particular topic like this and your other "photo archive" responses?  They're very helpful for illustrating differences across history.  But...how!? Clan Logan Representative of Ontariohttps://www.instagram.com/clanlogan_ontario_canada/ (that's where i post my blogs)
 https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVgTGPvWpU7cAv4KJ4cWRpQ
 
	
	
		
                        
                                
                                        
                                                5th March 21, 08:40 AM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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	Might be able to get a hair dresser to do it.
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by rsvpiper   Definitely on the to do list if I can bring myself to take scissors to my sporran 😜 Descendant of the Gillises and MacDonalds of North Morar.
 
	
 
	
	
 
	
	
	
	
	
	
	
		
		
		
		
			
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