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23rd July 21, 08:59 PM
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The “Scottish Estate Tweed “ book is indeed a super piece of work and is probably the most thumbed through book that we have in the house. It lives on the coffee table permanently and is a huge source of interest to almost all who visit us.
I stand to be corrected here but as I understand it, the “gun club” description of some tweeds was first coined by the Americans perhaps some hundred years ago.
Last edited by Jock Scot; 23rd July 21 at 09:06 PM.
Reason: Added an afterthought.
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24th July 21, 02:13 AM
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I believe the so-called Gun Club tweed was adopted by one of the New England gun clubs at the end of the 19th century, and quickly became a generic short-hand term for that style of weave. I have heard it referred to as 'Gun Checks' in rhe same way as 'Hill Checks' or 'Glen Checks' are used for other types of sporting tweeds.
But how the club concerned came to choose 'Coigach' tweed as their own remains a mystery.
Being able to identify a tweed by name (rather than by the weaver's referrence) saves a huge amount of time if you want to match in later - particularly if the original weaver is no longer operating. I have a now ageing Inverness cape in what Johnstons gives as Pitcastle tweed, but I bought it from Haggarts of Aberfeldy as their B135 tweed, now produced by Glen Lyon as GL2135.
The examples Johnstons give will be included in swatch-books, but surrounded by other tweeds that might have more appeal - in tone, colouring, etc. I have a suit in what Johnstons gives as Conaglen tweed, but my father used to say made me look like a disreputable bookie at the Curragh!
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28th July 21, 06:11 AM
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Proud Mountaineer from the Highlands of West Virginia; son of the Revolution and Civil War; first Europeans on the Guyandotte
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29th July 21, 02:56 AM
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Yes, that's the book...
Personally, I think the second editon is better - apart from the tweed samples, it is a completely different book, and I would be inclined to go for that. Also, the colour rendition is a bit better in the second edition. Reference details -
Scottish Estate Tweeds - Johnstons of Elgin 1995 - ISBN 0 9525239 0 5
Or you could get both copies, like me, and be on the look-out for the first edition from the 1960s.
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30th July 21, 04:39 AM
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Thanks everyone for the information and suggestions.
I have samples/swatches coming from USA Kilts and from Marton Mills which when they come will allow me to get everything sorted.
Proud Mountaineer from the Highlands of West Virginia; son of the Revolution and Civil War; first Europeans on the Guyandotte
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30th July 21, 05:09 AM
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Look forward to seeing the end result...
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30th July 21, 05:38 AM
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 Originally Posted by Troglodyte
Yes, that's the book...
Personally, I think the second editon is better - apart from the tweed samples, it is a completely different book, and I would be inclined to go for that. Also, the colour rendition is a bit better in the second edition. Reference details -
Scottish Estate Tweeds - Johnstons of Elgin 1995 - ISBN 0 9525239 0 5
Or you could get both copies, like me, and be on the look-out for the first edition from the 1960s.
I must confess that I did not know that there is a second edition. Thank you for the tip off.
" Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the adherence of idle minds and minor tyrants". Field Marshal Lord Slim.
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31st July 21, 09:08 AM
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There are three editions...
The first is titled 'Our Scottish District Checks' by E. S. Harrison, a former chairman of Johnstons of Elgin, I believe, and was published in 1968.
The Second edition, not a reprint of the first, but a complete re-working and including the same photos of the actual tweeds, was published by Johnstons in 1995, and the third edition (again a re-working so as to be a totally different book) came out in 2018.
The first edition also has samples of the regimental tweeds - the sort of thing a Scots Guards officer might have his shooting suit made up in.
The second edition seems to command astonishingly high prices on the second hand market, but the third edition is readily available, and well worth having.
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31st July 21, 10:03 AM
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 Originally Posted by Troglodyte
There are three editions...
The first is titled 'Our Scottish District Checks' by E. S. Harrison, a former chairman of Johnstons of Elgin, I believe, and was published in 1968.
The Second edition, not a reprint of the first, but a complete re-working and including the same photos of the actual tweeds, was published by Johnstons in 1995, and the third edition (again a re-working so as to be a totally different book) came out in 2018.
The first edition also has samples of the regimental tweeds - the sort of thing a Scots Guards officer might have his shooting suit made up in.
The second edition seems to command astonishingly high prices on the second hand market, but the third edition is readily available, and well worth having.
Ah right, thank you. I have the 1995 edition and will no doubt bump into the latest edition somewhere in due course. I might also bump into the early 1968 version too. There used to be a useful second hand bookshop in Fort William with leanings towards country pursuits, but sadly its gone now. But one never knows the minute when I might drop on one, now that I know what I am looking for.
Last edited by Jock Scot; 31st July 21 at 10:04 AM.
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