What is the most versatile kilt jacket in your opinion?

**OC Richard** · 19th November 21, 09:41 AM

Originally Posted by Steve Ashton

When I was young I was taught that a "Waistcoat" had a satin back and an adjuster strap. It is very plain that it is not outerwear and was not supposed to be worn without a jacket.

Yes indeed, and this has become an issue with Pipe Bands, due to bands the world over jettisoning their jackets and going waistcoat-and-shirtsleeves. (At the 2019 World Pipe Band Championships in Glasgow, every Grade One band, from Scotland, Northern Ireland, Eire, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, and the USA wore waistcoats sans jackets.)

Bands compete in a circle with their backs to the audience, and everyone's treated to the sight of the satin!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grGuVaT6cbs&t=27s

Also in sunny climes the satin (not designed for such exposure) quickly faded from black to a hideous pale pinkish-purplish colour.

Which has led US bands to go with US-made vests which have the same Barathea cloth front and rear, specifically made not to be worn with jacket. https://www.jhiggins.net/waistcoat-vest-black/

**stickman** · 20th November 21, 02:15 PM

Are you by any chance a fly fisherman ? Many years ago I bought a bunch of salmon flies (including a Jock Scot). Since there are no salmon where I live I used them on large mouthed bass. They worked great the bass just couldn't resist them.

**Bruce Scott** · 20th November 21, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by stickman

Are you by any chance a fly fisherman ? Many years ago I bought a bunch of salmon flies (including a Jock Scot). Since there are no salmon where I live I used them on large mouthed bass. They worked great the bass just couldn't resist them.

That was very likely a "Jock Scott" the invention of which is attributed to Jock Scott, an employee of Lord John Scott, in the mid 19th century.

http://zincavage.org/JS.pdf

**Jock Scot** · 20th November 21, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by stickman

Are you by any chance a fly fisherman ? Many years ago I bought a bunch of salmon flies (including a Jock Scot). Since there are no salmon where I live I used them on large mouthed bass. They worked great the bass just couldn't resist them.

Indeed I am a fly fisherman. When I ventured into the world of computers and then into joining this website it was, still is, all somewhat of a mystery to me and security was a concern of mine, so I chose a "nom de plume" and I chose "Jock Scot" a play on the real spelling of the real name of the fishing fly "Jock Scott". I caught my first salmon with one and the first of more than a few. Sadly the materials used to make the original design are so expensive now that I rarely use the fly these days, but there are still a couple lurking in my fly box.

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In action in a most beautiful part of Scotland.

**PassingW** · 22nd November 21, 08:09 AM

Thank you for sharing such a beautiful photograph. That really is some lovely countryside.

**Ninehostages** · 22nd November 21, 09:08 AM

Everything with a vest... woolly and a vest. Scotland is way, way North, cold and very damp. The hills are/were covered in sheep and wool is the default fabric in Scotland. Most of the rest of the World has climate conditions very different from those in Scotland. Importing such traditional garb to places where it is inappropriate gives you satin-backed waistcoats, everywhere so that they don't drop dead from heat exhaustion. Time for a new design. Time for something that you can wear in the Sonoran Desert.

I belt out heat. I am a human furnace. It is an inherited trait that I can trace back to my Blair Atholl origins line (I'm dead serious about that). No doubt, natural selection over the millenia favoured that type of physiology and when I look around at the man-mountains at any Highland Games, it is probable that it is a widespread phenomenon among our fellow tribesmen. We left Scotland behind us, though. There is no way that I can wear a vest comfortably with a jacket before October or after April and even then, I had better be outdoors. The Scottish diaspora needs something more practical than Scottish exports that are designed for Scottish conditions.

(That wool WWII Army Battle Dress that the British were adamant would export to field conditions of the South of Italy .... didn't)

**stickman** · 22nd November 21, 12:20 PM

Didn't mean to cause a slight to anyone. I was just using Jock Scots nom de plume. Sorry if anyone took offence at Scot instead of Scott.

**Jock Scot** · 22nd November 21, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by stickman

Didn't mean to cause a slight to anyone. I was just using Jock Scots nom de plume. Sorry if anyone took offence at Scot instead of Scott.

I shouldn't worry if I were you.

**stickman** · 23rd November 21, 11:35 AM

Those are really nice looking jackets.

A very inexpensive addition was to purchase some waistcoats of different fabrics -
I now have one jacket & 3 different waistcoats. This combination is what wear most often. -

This same jacket can easily be worn without the vest or even without the tie.

Yes this is the same cut and style, just in a different color. I'm trying to illustrate that while a charcoal grey goes with everything, there are many fabrics for a jacket but fit, cut and style are more important than the color.

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**OC Richard** · 24th November 21, 05:43 AM

Originally Posted by Ninehostages

That wool WWII Army Battle Dress that the British were adamant would export to field conditions of the South of Italy .... didn't.

In the case of the 51st Highland Division, they arrived in Sicily in the same uniforms they had worn in the Western Desert, having come from Tunisia. They wore lightweight cotton shirts and pants (except for the pipers who were often kilted).

Two pipers in Sicily.