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15th August 23, 03:00 PM
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Oh I quite understand what both of you are saying,what I have trouble with is this attachment to a ceremony that appears to be historical mumbo jumbo, dressed up as some as some sort of “must do” part of a marriage.
Please don’t misunderstand me, if that is what it takes for a couple to feel married then far be it for me to comment. Personally I got married for all sorts of good reasons, but religion was not one of them. So I do understand.
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15th August 23, 05:06 PM
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Up until the second half of the 19th century, clergy was often scarce in parts of the rural South, especially in the mountains. I have come across references to couples doing a
handfasting and setting up household to put a public face on the relationship in case progeny arrived before clergy could be arranged. Especially if westward migration was in
the offing. When connection could be made with clergy, appropriate rites were done and often considered backdated for the benefit of the children, if any had arrived. Also
mentioned on occasion was the jumping of a broom, which served a similar purpose, i.e., a public announcement of intent to keep joint household and start a family.
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15th August 23, 10:15 PM
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 Originally Posted by tripleblessed
Up until the second half of the 19th century, clergy was often scarce in parts of the rural South, especially in the mountains. I have come across references to couples doing a
handfasting and setting up household to put a public face on the relationship in case progeny arrived before clergy could be arranged. Especially if westward migration was in
the offing. When connection could be made with clergy, appropriate rites were done and often considered backdated for the benefit of the children, if any had arrived. Also
mentioned on occasion was the jumping of a broom, which served a similar purpose, i.e., a public announcement of intent to keep joint household and start a family.
Aha! A historical context.
I was wondering about this “jumping the broom” thing too. So are we talking more of colonial adaptations to fit the circumstance, rather than a general Scottish procedure?
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19th August 23, 11:42 AM
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 Originally Posted by Jock Scot
Aha! A historical context.
I was wondering about this “jumping the broom” thing too. So are we talking more of colonial adaptations to fit the circumstance, rather than a general Scottish procedure?
Not an area of study for me, but passing mentions in what I was reading at times made reference to these practices. I have the impression that these both have roots in both Celtic
and African traditions. Exactly what those roots were and the form they had elsewhere, I am not well informed of enough to be quoted.
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19th August 23, 11:54 AM
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 Originally Posted by tripleblessed
Not an area of study for me, but passing mentions in what I was reading at times made reference to these practices. I have the impression that these both have roots in both Celtic
and African traditions. Exactly what those roots were and the form they had elsewhere, I am not well informed of enough to be quoted.
You may be right on these matters, but I have no idea about these things other than passing comments made by others on this website, which I cannot relate to one bit.
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