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14th June 24, 07:35 AM
#111
Originally Posted by Jock Scot
I think that you have the picture time line about right there OCR, perhaps the top left one might be a tad earlier, but not enough to matter. Going off topic a tad, it’s interesting and striking that the headwear is common in all the pictures. I see a “deer stalker” as an exception, in one of the pictures but generally the bonnet choice is a common choice for nearly all of those marching. These days I suspect the front rank of a similar march today would wear a bonnet and the following ranks, even in inclement weather would be mostly bare-headed.
What's more, I'd wager that several of these are the exact same bonnets, photographed multiple times over many years. I recognize at least one of them, worn by the Duke of Argyll.
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14th June 24, 09:17 AM
#112
Originally Posted by JPS
What's more, I'd wager that several of these are the exact same bonnets, photographed multiple times over many years. I recognize at least one of them, worn by the Duke of Argyll.
Right, it's the same event (Oban) and the same people can be traced from photo to photo in several cases.
There's quite a time leap from the 1930s to the 1950s to the 1990s and then more recent.
All told, nearly a century.
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14th June 24, 09:29 AM
#113
Originally Posted by Jock Scot
It’s interesting and striking that the headwear is common in all the pictures. I see a “deer stalker” as an exception in one of the pictures but generally the bonnet choice is a common choice for nearly all of those marching. These days I suspect the front rank of a similar march today would wear a bonnet and the following ranks, even in inclement weather would be mostly bare-headed.
About the bonnets, what I haven't posted are the photos from all those years of the crowd of competing solo pipers (as opposed to a Pipe Band) marching in, and those also exclusively show Balmoral bonnets up till around 1980 when a smattering of Glengarries start to appear.
Also the pipers, like the Stewards, are all in tweed jackets till one piper appears in a black Argyll around 1980.
It always strikes me as odd how few people in the piping community realise how recent the black Argyll + Glengarry + Ghillie kit is.
(I guess it shows how old I am, to regard the 1980s as 'recent'!)
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14th June 24, 12:51 PM
#114
Originally Posted by OC Richard
About the bonnets, what I haven't posted are the photos from all those years of the crowd of competing solo pipers (as opposed to a Pipe Band) marching in, and those also exclusively show Balmoral bonnets up till around 1980 when a smattering of Glengarries start to appear.
Also the pipers, like the Stewards, are all in tweed jackets till one piper appears in a black Argyll around 1980.
It always strikes me as odd how few people in the piping community realise how recent the black Argyll + Glengarry + Ghillie kit is.
(I guess it shows how old I am, to regard the 1980s as 'recent'!)
Here's an old video of the Glenfinnan Piping Competition that illustrates this well. There's also a decent survey of footwear here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThNNSd3Xf5o
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1st July 24, 06:41 AM
#115
Last edited by Jock Scot; 1st July 24 at 07:51 AM.
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8th July 24, 02:56 PM
#116
Originally Posted by Jock Scot
from what I see on the film the choice for most kilted non musicians, is the plain black brogue.
Even some pipers are wearing brogues too.
How cool, at 00:24 a nice closeup of Fawn/Oatmeal hose. They used to be a standard colour but now are rare as hen's teeth.
Why the horrid trumpet soundtrack??
It's not surprising to see pipers in ordinary brogues. Then, as now, pipers competing in solo competitions generally make a point out of avoiding dressing in band kit (unless they're also competing with a band the same day). Part of that is seeing solo pipers wearing traditional-looking outfits including plain brogues and bonnets. Pipers almost universally hate being required to wear Ghillies, Glengarries, etc in their bands.
BTW Seumas MacNeill died in 1996 which helps frame the video.
Here are the promised photos of pipers at Oban 1950 to 1985.
Some pipers choose to wear Ghillies, and have since the 1860s, as shown in Victorian photos.
However it wasn't till the 1970s and 1980s that they became associated with Pipe Bands.
Last edited by OC Richard; 8th July 24 at 04:00 PM.
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