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 Originally Posted by jsrnephdoc
Thanks SO much for all those details. Previously, I've made email contact with Mr. Antony (who make Band Capes but also tweed Inverness Capes, and with Kinloch Anderson, who sell goods to Royalty and whose prices confirm that). Neither seemed eager to create a cape in very heavyweight cloth, although the mill that K-A uses (in the Scottish Borders, I think, in or close to Selkirk) does weave some as heavy as 700 gms. My guess is that the shops that DO sell Capes are not eager to be wrestling with such heavy cloth. I've not found any source for quilted lining capes.
An American business wear overcoat (typically worn over a business suit) is made from wool woven into fabric more like a blanket than the tight weave in a PC or tweed jacket, or a kilt, for that matter. Perhaps the raison d'ętre for the garment in Scotland was the intemperate rainy weather rather than the bitter cold we often have in Montana, USA. Just last week we had temperatures of -20°F and snowfall of almost 2 meters, but today we'll have a clouds but high temperatures approaching 50°F! (and such dramatic shifts in temperature can occur in much shorter intervals, too.
Might you have any leads regarding someone who would/could make a lined heavyweight cape as you've described it?
By the way, I looked up Fettercairn and was reminded just how large a county Scotland actually is. Most of the web "hits" mention the distillery, which does tours. We TRIED to tour Glennlivet when last we were in Scotland, but were cursed by the tiny paved sheep paths we were forced to navigate in the huge SUV that the car hire company foisted on us in Edinburgh. We arrived an hour late (BEAUTIFUL countryside), missed our pre-paid tour entirely, but were able to enjoy a tasting (as the designated SUV pilot I saved my tiny bottles for another day).
An Invernes cape is really intended to be a loose covering, rather than a warm garment - but being worn over a usually thick tweed jacket and waistcoat, the combined insulatling effect is normally enough for the frequently cold and damp conditions here in Scotland.
It has been said that Scottish weather (especially in the Highlands in winter) is more Arctic than continental in terms of weather conditions, and, although temperatures regularly go below -10C it is not for long periods of time. The weather forecast often gives out 'wintery showers' which is understood to be blustery, squally conditions with rain and sleet - which takes a heavy toll at lambing time. It is seldom still and intensely cold.
The cape, particularly if worn over a kilt outfit, serves well in these conditions if the cloth used is thick and heavy enough - a piper's rain-cape is necesarily lightweight and provides excellent summer-time wet-weather protection but not warmth apart from the outer-shell barrier sort you would get with, say, a cagoule.
Most kilted occasions are indoor events, and are reached by scampering from a car to the entrance - not enough to need much more than a simple draped covering - which is probably why the likes of KA and other cape-makers offer them in lightweight cloths. My own cape, which I have had for many years, was commissioned from Haggarts of Aberfeldy, and is made from one of their heavy tweeds, which are now continued by Glenlyon mill -https://www.glenlyontweedmill.com/Tweed/Tweed_775_grams.html
Superb in every way, I would say it is heavy enough to be well-behaved in our weather, and has nothing in the way of a warm lining apart from the usual satin. In very cold, still conditions, I find the cape is enough to stay warm and comforable without worry, and so would probably suit your climate - especially if you had the all-round mantle version that provides the extra layer across the back and shoulders.
Cape-makers will urge the customer to use one of their available cloths for their own convenience, rather than the customer's, and frequently assume the customer has little idea of what he really wants or needs. Additionally, clothing made during the past 40 years or so has become increasingly lightweight, and what is now considered heavyweight was once an all-purpose medium-weight cloth. Consequently, tailors balk at the idea of working with anything of 16oz or more.
Personally, I would reject any cape made from a cloth less than 28oz. The sporting tweeds produced by Lovat mills and the like are excellent suitings, and will last more than a lifetime, but have nothing of the weight and substance I think is required for an Inverness cape. Think of an army greatcoat over a uniform and you get the idea.
Vintage capes occasionally come up for sale, which have a wool lining fused to the outer - sometimes in a check or tartan pattern - that double the thickness and winter-wear properties of the cape. Finding a maker to do this now is all but impossible, but finding a quilted jerkin of the sort sometimes sold as an accessory for an overcoat as a body-warmer liner might be a solution for you.
The amount of cloth needed for a cape is going to be the bulk of the cost, as they are fairly quick and easy to make up - something like six yards of double-width cloth is required. It is most likely that you will only ever buy one cape, so choosing wisely is essential.
These pictures show my Haggarts' cloth cape.
So you have tracked me to Fettercairn..? I stay a couple of miles outside the village, just where the flat arable gives way to the sloping moors, and my home is part of all that remains of ancient Kincardine that gives the name to the county. Nothing remains of the town except the name and the ruined castle (which Edward I used as a base and where John Baliol is said to have formally assigned Scotland to England) - which was used as a quarry to build the 'new' village of Fettercairn. Old Kincardin's mediaeval market cross, complete with its official 'ell' measure, has been in Fettercairn square since being saved.
A stone's throw from my back door is a Pictish hill-fort known to have been used by the real King Macbeth, and is reputed to be where he put to death King Duncan. Curiously, it is a serene and tranquil site, that gives visitors a sense of peace and harmony with the natural world. You feel compelled to linger, and the site is a favourite refuge for both fur and feather wildlife.
Fettercairn distillery is part of the White and Mackay empire, and is unique for two reasons - being the oldest legal distillery, and having a curious cooling system in the form of a ring collar high on the neck of the stills that is said to give the spirit its light, floral character. Try as I might, I cannot get a taste for their product, and find the next nearest distillers, Glencadam, much more to my liking. Fettercairn uses their own water supply, while Glencadam has theirs piped from the high glens some miles away. The handful of other distilleries in the area have gone out of business in the past 50 years or so, and are now the sites of supermarkets or housing estates.
Good luck with the cape-hunting!
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Haggarts were the home of real genuine heavyweight tweed and are missed hugely by the “country set” . Campbell’s are now the only source of the not quite so heavyweight tweed that I am aware of, in this part of the world now. Perhaps there are more establishments down South where this wonderful type of cloth might be obtained?
In my long distant youth, when I used to ride to hounds with the Berkeley( pronounced BARKley)down South, the cloth I seem to recall was described as “Melton” that was used for our jackets. Heavy, warm and tough cloth and presumably still produced. That might be suitable for a cape?
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 Originally Posted by Jock Scot
Haggarts were the home of real genuine heavyweight tweed and are missed hugely by the “country set” . Campbell’s are now the only source of the not quite so heavyweight tweed that I am aware of, in this part of the world now. Perhaps there are more establishments down South where this wonderful type of cloth might be obtained?
In my long distant youth, when I used to ride to hounds with the Berkeley( pronounced BARKley)down South, the cloth I seem to recall was described as “Melton” that was used for our jackets. Heavy, warm and tough cloth and presumably still produced. That might be suitable for a cape?
For the type of cold OP is facing, Melton wool (the heavy type used for peacoats) might be just the thing, if he can't find a suitably heavy tweed (which would still be my first choice). I have a peacoat made in the 1950's from heavy Melton and fully lined, and I can only wear it in the coldest, windiest weather without breaking into a sweat. And it has the added benefit of being virtually waterproof.
Historical Emporium, based in the USA, used to sell satin-lined, camel Melton wool capes. They're out of stock at the moment, but it might be worth getting in touch to see if they could still have one made.
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 Originally Posted by jsrnephdoc
Do you have a sense of what fabric weight (tweed or solid kilting fabric) would be correct for an Inverness or Coachman's Cape?
Thanks so much.
I have so much fabric these days it is a long time since I considered buying any for a specific purpose, but I think that an inverness really needs a softer weave than a kilt though still a fairly hefty and close woven wool of about the same weight as a good kilting fabric.
Ideally I would line the main part, probably use interfacing in the collar, behind the fastenings, and as rain these days seems to be much heavier than a decade or two ago, I would consider making a waterproof layer - probably removable and just a little longer than the outer cape part and without seams - I have been let down and water let in by seams too many times.
I'd line the cloak for ease of movement as wearing layers which cling to each other is so wearing after an hour or so.
Anne the Pleater
I presume to dictate to no man what he shall eat or drink or wherewithal he shall be clothed."
-- The Hon. Stuart Ruaidri Erskine, The Kilt & How to Wear It, 1901.
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 Originally Posted by Pleater
I have so much fabric these days it is a long time since I considered buying any for a specific purpose, but I think that an inverness really needs a softer weave than a kilt though still a fairly hefty and close woven wool of about the same weight as a good kilting fabric.
Ideally I would line the main part, probably use interfacing in the collar, behind the fastenings, and as rain these days seems to be much heavier than a decade or two ago, I would consider making a waterproof layer - probably removable and just a little longer than the outer cape part and without seams - I have been let down and water let in by seams too many times.
I'd line the cloak for ease of movement as wearing layers which cling to each other is so wearing after an hour or so.
Anne the Pleater
Are you aware of anyone who makes Inverness Capes (or Coachman's Cloaks) who would be capable of following those recommendations? I imagine the Coachman's Cloak would be bigger challenge, since it has actual sleeves
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