Semple approach to Traditional Highland Dress

[Pleater]

A couple examples of ghillies. (Not trying to start something. Just an observation.)

All the bonnets are blue. Some lighter, some darker.

I make bonnets, simple crochet, in a few 'traditional' colours, black, grey and various shades of blue.
These days I usually wear one when away at folk festivals and over the last few years I have done fairly well selling the one I am wearing to those wanting to know where I got it. I suspect that as time passes there are fewer and fewer outlets for such things.

Of course as time passes more and more people think that 'Outlander' costumes are the real thing.

Anne the pleater

[OC Richard]

Of course as time passes more and more people think that 'Outlander' costumes are the real thing.

It's tragic how many people think that the Outlander costumes are authentic.

About the brown and grey look, there's a thing with Hollywood historical films to make everything dull and drab, be it the Middle Ages or Renaissance or the 18th century, when actual paintings from those periods show bright colours. (They show ancient Rome with entirely white buildings too, but let's not go there.)

As we know the brown & grey weathered tartans didn't appear until 1949. I think a lot of the blame for using those tartans in historical films goes to Rob Roy. Here are the Rob Roy and Outlander costumes compared to actual 18th century Highland clothing.

(Both the Rob Roy and Outlander costumes show the Hollywood costumers confusing the breacan-an-feileadh with long plaids wrapped around the body, worn by men in trews in 18th century portraits.)

[Janner52]

It's tragic how many people think that the Outlander costumes are authentic.

About the brown and grey look, there's a thing with Hollywood historical films to make everything dull and drab, be it the Middle Ages or Renaissance or the 18th century, when actual paintings from those periods show bright colours. (They show ancient Rome with entirely white buildings too, but let's not go there.)

As we know the brown & grey weathered tartans didn't appear until 1949. I think a lot of the blame for using those tartans in historical films goes to Rob Roy. Here are the Rob Roy and Outlander costumes compared to actual 18th century Highland clothing.

(Both the Rob Roy and Outlander costumes show the Hollywood costumers confusing the breacan-an-feileadh with long plaids wrapped around the body, worn by men in trews in 18th century portraits.)

Most of the illustrations of 18th century Highland dress tend to depict soldiers or the at the higher end of the social strata. There are very few images of the lower orders. Additionally a lot of the drawings are slightly caricaturist and unrealistic. So therefore likely inaccurate.
Some may also have been drawn from memory.

Clearly not the case in the examples above.

[OC Richard]

Most of the illustrations of 18th century Highland dress tend to depict soldiers or the at the higher end of the social strata. There are very few images of the lower orders. Additionally a lot of the drawings are slightly caricaturist and unrealistic. So therefore likely inaccurate.
Some may also have been drawn from memory.
Clearly not the case in the examples above.

Several accurate observations there.

As historians we have to work with what we have- once we reach the boundaries of the extant evidence we have to admit "we just don't know". (We can leave speculation to the writers of fiction.)

For Highland Dress we have oil portraits painted from life going back to the late 17th century. These were incredibly expensive, around $100,000 in today's money, and have the disadvantage of only showing the wealthy, but the advantage of being made under the watchful eye of the subject (who was also the person footing the bill, and thus almost certainly nitpicky). The artist would have been held to the highest level of accuracy at least in terms of clothing and accessories.

We have more than enough 18th century oil portraits done from life to know exactly how people dressed.

There's a group portrait of several ordinary Highland men painted from life, which shows that then, as now, the rich and the ordinary dressed more or less the same. (I can see a historian 300 years from now seeing photos of our current celebrities in baseball hats, t-shirts, and cargo shorts, and imagining that this was only the dress of the wealthy.)

Beyond those 18th century portraits there isn't much that could be taken as being reliable. We have to set aside illustrations done from the artist's imagination, political cartoons, etc.

[figheadair]

I think a lot of the blame for using those tartans in historical films goes to Rob Roy. Here are the Rob Roy and Outlander costumes compared to actual 18th century Highland clothing.

(Both the Rob Roy and Outlander costumes show the Hollywood costumers confusing the breacan-an-feileadh with long plaids wrapped around the body, worn by men in trews in 18th century portraits.)

I was the tartan advisor for Rob Roy and proposed a number of historically suitable tartans, including the so-called MacGregor of Glengyle. Whilst the costume team were enthused and very keen to use on or other, they were overruled by the director. As a perfect example of a lack of appreciation of historical tartans he was reported to have said of the Glengyle sett 'I'm not having Liam Neilson wearing pink'!

My minor success was to have a plaid (which I dyed and wove) worn by the Duke of Argyll in some scenes. As an aside, unknown to me, the costume was sold off at the end filming. Had I known, I'd have bought the plaid back. I wonder what happened to it.

[OC Richard]

I was the tartan advisor for Rob Roy and proposed a number of historically suitable tartans, including the so-called MacGregor of Glengyle. Whilst the costume team were enthused and very keen to use on or other, they were overruled by the director. As a perfect example of a lack of appreciation of historical tartans he was reported to have said of the Glengyle sett 'I'm not having Liam Neilson wearing pink'!

My minor success was to have a plaid (which I dyed and wove) worn by the Duke of Argyll in some scenes. As an aside, unknown to me, the costume was sold off at the end filming. Had I known, I'd have bought the plaid back. I wonder what happened to it.

That's beautiful Peter. I'm glad you were able to get that included in the film.

I've been around Hollywood enough to have seen that process several times with my own eyes:

1) hire an expert to be an "advisor" on the film.

2) ignore most or all of what they advise you to do.

The most puzzling thing to me about the Rob Roy costumes is that they created a completely ahistorical mashup of the breacan-an-feileadh and the long plaid.

Didn't they notice that all the old portraits of men in kilts don't have a length of tartan wrapped diagonally across the torso?

I'm assuming the costumer got that idea from old portraits of men in trews.

Or, Victorian (and later) images of men wearing modern (detached) kilts with the long plaid.

About Hollywood people not noticing what might be thought obvious, after Braveheart came out every composer in Hollywood wanted the sound of the uilleann pipes on their projects, and for the duration of that fad I was very busy.

Whenever they called me I gave my little speech about exactly what the uilleann pipes could, and couldn't, do. Rarely did any of my information sink in.

One of those times happened when, despite my clear instructions, I arrived to find that the composer had written my part in the wrong key.

I spied the Braveheart soundtrack CD on his desk.

"I see you have Braveheart. Did you listen to it?"

"Yes I listened to it over and over to get a feel about what the uilleann bagpipes do."

"Did you notice that every single thing that the pipes play is in one or two sharps?"

No, he hadn't. One would think a professional composer would have an awareness of keys, no?

[DCampbell16B]

Didn't they notice that all the old portraits of men in kilts don't have a length of tartan wrapped diagonally across the torso?

I'm assuming the costumer got that idea from old portraits of men in trews.

This bothers me as much as the dull gray/brown tartans.

[EagleJCS]

One would think a professional composer would have an awareness of keys, no?

Off topic:
This reminds me of other issues pipers face, like volume.

Potential client (PC): "Can't you just blow softer?"
Bagpiper (BP): "No, this is a reeded instrument and the reeds require a certain amount of air pressure to make sound. That produces a louder volume."
PC: "But <insert instance of recorded pipes played over a movie scene or on television> was quiet!"
BP: "Yes, and that was a recording, not live. If you want a similar effect, use a recording or have me play at a distance."
PC: "But, but, I want a live piper right there!"
BP, realizing PC wants the spectacle more than the music: "Let me direct you to <the next piper that does gigs in the area>. Maybe they can help you."


On topic:
Peter, I always thought the Duke of Argyll looked more authentic in his attire than did the rest of the tartan-wearing cast, even before I started learning about tartans and my own Scottish heritage*. Well done, and thank you. What most of the kilt-wearing cast wore appeared to be an awkward mishmash that they weren't sure what to do with and were not entirely comfortable wearing, instead of clothing they grew up wearing and had seen their elders wearing before them.

*(My own Scottish-ness is still somewhat in doubt, even though my surname is Scott. We haven't been able to follow the line back to the British Isles pre-1740 yet.)

[jsrnephdoc]

Off topic:
This reminds me of other issues pipers face, like volume.

Potential client (PC): "Can't you just blow softer?"

I could have done that when I (sort of) learned to play the pipes in my college's band, but with the obvious unimpressive expected outcome. I DID manage to learn 3 marches on the practice chanter, but I couldn't keep the bag inflated unless I plugged the drones with wine corks!

Fortunately, we had a REALLY talented Pipe Major. He was also an intercollegiate swimmer, and he happily regaled us about a drunken swimmer's party he attended WITH his pipes at a little university 40 miles south of us (athletic mascot: "Handsome Dan.)" One of ITS swimmers was a very famous Olympic Medalist (Don Schollander), and I was happy to learn that HE couldn't keep the bag inflated, either (of course, in Schollander's case, the problem likely was situational, related to the "nutrients" available at the party.

[OC Richard]

This reminds me of other issues pipers face, like volume.
Potential client (PC): "Can't you just blow softer?"
Bagpiper (BP):"No, this is a reed instrument and the reeds require a certain amount of air pressure to make sound..."
PC:"But <insert instance of recorded pipes played over a movie scene or on television> was quiet!"
BP:"Yes, and that was a recording, not live. If you want a similar effect, use a recording or have me play at a distance."
PC:"But I want a live piper right there!"

Oi oi. Been there!

Some sidelights:

1) I also play Scottish Smallpipes and Uilleann pipes so I'll mention these as alternatives.
I recently did a gig that was Smallpipes only, a whisky tasting in an intimate small-pub setting. There have been quite a few gigs over the years which ended up being Smallpipes only.

2) I have two sets of Highland pipes, one at 480-484 for the Pipe Band, the other at 466 for playing with pipe organ etc. I've sound that the 466 set is easier on people's ears, and I'll usually play those for indoor things that don't require smallpipes.

3) From at least c1780 to c1930 all the leading pipe makers offered pipes in three volume levels. They wouldn't have considered playing the big pipes indoors! It wasn't until the 1930s that all the leading makers dropped the smaller sizes/softer-sounding pipes from their price lists.

"Let me direct you to <the next piper that does gigs in the area>. Maybe they can help you."

That sounds like my strategy!

I have the number of a very good piper who charges twice what all the other pipers charge. I give his number to clients who say I'm charging too much.

I have the number of a very good piper who is a short-tempered and has no patience for high-maintenance people. I give his number to clients who are high-maintenance people.