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10th February 05, 10:06 PM
#11
Originally Posted by Jewddha
Thanks Bubba, I'm still curious as to how it converted from a (from what i can tell) fairly religious symbol to what it is regarded as today.
Mostly I think it lost it's religious connotations when Germany used it for medals and insignia
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11th February 05, 12:28 AM
#12
The swastika was perverted from a symbol of life (usually turning clockwise) to the Nazi symbol (turning anti-clockwise). If Hitler was good at one thing, it was taking symbols that were already in the public consciousness and turning them into propoganda.
Andrew.
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11th February 05, 12:44 AM
#13
Originally Posted by Andrew Breecher
The swastika was perverted from a symbol of life (usually turning clockwise) to the Nazi symbol (turning anti-clockwise). If Hitler was good at one thing, it was taking symbols that were already in the public consciousness and turning them into propoganda.
Andrew.
Oddly enough, the swastika was popular as a decoration of synagogues. Since Judaism prohibited the depiction of human or animal forms, geometric designs were used as decorative motifs.
I've also seen swastikas carved or painted on pre-Columbian pottery from the American Southwest.
The symbol seems to have been pretty universal among ancient civilizations. Leave it to modern man to pervert it to a symbol of evil.
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11th February 05, 04:55 AM
#14
Maltese Cross...
Sorry to drag this off-topic, but you mentioned the Maltese cross, and Steve had them available for buttons, and they seem to have a huge thing going on with the gearhead/biker world, but what is the real significance? All I really got that it was some saint of Maltas' symbol, can anyone enlighten me?
The Maltese Cross was used by the Knights of St. John, also known as the Knights of Malta, or the Hospitaliers. They were (and still are) a religious order of the Roman Catholic Church, and were contemporaries of the Knights Templar. Originally based in the Holy Land, they provided shelter for pilgrims in "hospitals" (not for the sick, but a dormatory) and adopted the eight-pointed cross, also known as the Cross of St. John the Baptist (their patron) as their symbol. The eight points of the cross originally stands for the eight "beattitudes" mentioned in the Gospel (Blessed are the poor, etc.)
After the fall of Jerusalem, the Knights moved to the Island of Malta, where St. Paul had been shipwrecked, and they've been there ever since.
Cheers,
Todd
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11th February 05, 10:05 AM
#15
Originally Posted by Geoduck
Topics are meant to be dynamic. Enjoy the tangent...
What is too big? I'm looking at about 2 inches round. Everyone's probably seen what I'm talking about in tourist shops throughout Scotland.
Thanks again,
George
Use what ever you like as a kilt pin. Just make sur eit is only through the top apron, and that the pin is not too heavy, or it may damage the fabric. Try and google or even ebay search for kilt pins, and you should see a whole shwack of different ideas.
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11th February 05, 04:16 PM
#16
I think I've pieced together the Maltese cross connection, thanks all!
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15th February 05, 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Geoduck
Topics are meant to be dynamic. Enjoy the tangent...
What is too big? I'm looking at about 2 inches round. Everyone's probably seen what I'm talking about in tourist shops throughout Scotland.
Thanks again,
George
That sounds to me more like a plaid brooch, George. Kilt pins are usually sword-shaped, but there are some marvellous modern celtic design pins around nowadays. I have separate ones for each of my traditional kilts to avoid damaging the fabric with the constant removal and re-pinning.
Almost any kiltmaker (especially those in Scotland) carries a good selection and will have them illustrated on their websites. Just Google (Images) "Kilt Pins" and you'll get a good idea of what is generally acceptable.
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16th February 05, 02:28 PM
#18
Thanks Hamish,
I had the feeling that it was a plaid brooch, I just didn't have a name for it.
I recently picked up a new kilt and it had a sword shaped kilt pin on it upon purchase, so for now I think I'll be happy with it. I'm glad someone was able to clear that up for me,
George
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