Hello from Indiana

[Planopiper]

I'm not sure where you heard not to wear a belt w/ daywear. I always wear a belt except when I wear a Prince Charlie jacket w/ vest. And the belt should be worn at the top of the kilt, w/ none of the kilt showing above it. The leather sporran w/ a chrome cantle will be fine for most occasions. The cantel makes it dressier than a day sporran, but you can wear it w/ daywear. The dress sporran is a good price for what it is, but is meant for pretty dressy occasions. Like when the rest of the guys are wearing tuxedos. Don't be confused by the terms daywear and eveningwear. It has to do w/ degrees of formality. Most of the time you wear the same clothes in the evening that you wear during the day. So wear the kilt the same way. If you're going somewhere where you'd dress up, then dress up the kilt. If you go to a wedding during the day, don't wear the kilt w/ hiking boots and a plain leather sporran. Like someone else said before, Dress as you normally would, but w/ a kilt instead of pants. The same kilt can be appropriate for hiking or hanging out w/ friends and for a wedding or formal dinner. It's all in how you accessorize it.

Many on this forum may disagree w/ me on this, but here goes. All of the above goes for the kilt. Other kilt-like garments like the Utili-kilt and others are strictly casual garments, like shorts or work pants or jeans. They should not be used for semi-formal or formal wear.

[Rob Wright]

Welcome t othe board, kick back and make yourself comfortable.

Rob

[Jerry]

Since I am new to wearing casual kilts I had a few questions.

First, I was taught that you never wear a belt with daywear. I have looked at some of the photos and many of the members wear belts during the daytime. What view is correct?

Second, I just purchased a leather sporran with a metal cantle,
www.thumpmusic.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=TM&Product_Code =KBIART101&Category_Code=11
but I do not know if it is formal enough to wear in the evening. Please give me your advice. (Code: KBIART101 at www.thumpmusic.com)

Should I just purchase a fur sporran while it is still on sale?
www.thumpmusic.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=TM&Product_Code =KBIART108G&Category_Code=11 (Code: KBIART108G at www.thumpmusic.com)

I am a disabled kilt wearer who used to play soccer when I was healthy. Are there any other disabled kilt wearers here?

Matt

Hi, Matt, welcome to the forum. I guess I wouldn't exactly be considered disabled. I do have enough problems with osteo-arthritus in the knees and back as well as a complete lack of stamina, related to chemo-therapy several years ago, that I am somewhat limited in the distance and the speed at which I can walk. My doctors consider that this enough for a handicap parking permit, although I only use it if there is no other relatively close spaces. ( I figure there are lots around with worse problems than mine.)

[kiltedjaz]

Matt - I went to college in Indiana and am also a soccer fan. Welcome aboard.

Go Crew, and Hail Hail Bhoys! (I should get some reactions from that one... :mrgreen: )

In Scotland & Ireland the term BHOYS is particulary linked with Roman Catholisism, football (esp Celtic) and general religious sectarianism. It is not a term normally used in 'polite' society generally, due to it's nasty connotations.
You, in the USA, should be well used to religious bigotry with all its inherent dangers.
One only has to look at some of the American 'kilt' boards to see that this appauling bigotry and fundamentalism affects people even to the level of wearing a kilt....If it wasn't so terribly sad and pathetic it would be laughable.
It is down to us all to avoid using terms and references involved in bigitry of any kind.

[Mike1]

You, in the USA, should be well used to religious bigotry with all its inherent dangers.

Hi James.

Actually, religious bigotry is not such an issue in the States. Be it good or bad (and I do have my own opinion ;) ), there is a practice of religious tolerance in this country. So much so that, here, we leave the subject to each individual user and not broach it for fear of divisive arguments.

My guess is that you could ask the U.S. members of this forum with which foot they kick a ball and they would come up blank, an over-whelming majority of the time. I'm sure there are some exceptions, but they will be the exception and not the rule.

Good to see you posting, BTW.

'S mise,
Micheal

[kiltedjaz]

Michael

Your comment 'which foot they kick a ball '...brought a smile to my face, it's been a long time since I heard that one. :mrgreen:

[jfellrath]

In Scotland & Ireland the term BHOYS is particulary linked with Roman Catholisism, football (esp Celtic) and general religious sectarianism. It is not a term normally used in 'polite' society generally, due to it's nasty connotations.
You, in the USA, should be well used to religious bigotry with all its inherent dangers.
One only has to look at some of the American 'kilt' boards to see that this appauling bigotry and fundamentalism affects people even to the level of wearing a kilt....If it wasn't so terribly sad and pathetic it would be laughable.
It is down to us all to avoid using terms and references involved in bigitry of any kind.

I belong to a Celtic supporters club here in the US and that term is used all the time as simply "fans of Celtic." Never have any of the Scottish ex-pats in our club nor the Rangers or Livingston fans who occasionally watch games with us mentioned anything like this. So I'm sorry if I offended, but it was innocent. It apparently has a different connotation over here (for those few who have ever heard it).

Also, I kick with both feet. Right foot for distance, left foot for accuracy, but either foot when I'm in front of the goal.

[Mike1]

I belong to a Celtic supporters club here in the US and that term is used all the time as simply "fans of Celtic."

And Goodness knows there would be no sectarianism at Ibrox, now would there? <banging my head on the desk>

Seumas, this is what I meant about a overall lack of awareness and understanding about some of Alba's issues, such as bigotry and sectarianism, here in the States. It is not unusual to attend a Scottish event here in the States and see folks wearing their Celtic and Rangers kit, for no absolutely other reason than to harmlessly support their favorite team. The Old Firm likely means nothing to them, 9 times out of 10. It's just a different place, here, ken?

<digging around, looking for my copy of John McCloskey's The Green And The Blue>

So I'm sorry if I offended, but it was innocent. It apparently has a different connotation over here (for those few who have ever heard it).

Jamie, I am quite confident that you did not mean to offend anyone. Those colors and those words just have a lot of very deep-rooted emotions attached to them in Scotland. How could you have known?

Also, I kick with both feet. Right foot for distance, left foot for accuracy, but either foot when I'm in front of the goal.

Seumas, this is a perfect example of my hypothesis, eh? Perhaps I should have not mentioned kicking a ball, but used "with what foot do you dig a peat". Now THAT really is an auld yin!

Matt, get back in here and tell me what part of Indiana you hail from. We've got to do something to get this train back on the tracks. ;)

[kiltedjaz]

Jamie..

You most certainly did not offend in the least, but in some parts of Scotland (not to mention Ireland) the bitter rivalry and intolerace is rife and extremely nasty. My post was purely intended as a little reminder of this...

[jfellrath]

And Goodness knows there would be no sectarianism at Ibrox, now would there? <banging my head on the desk>

Seumas, this is what I meant about a overall lack of awareness and understanding about some of Alba's issues, such as bigotry and sectarianism, here in the States. It is not unusual to attend a Scottish event here in the States and see folks wearing their Celtic and Rangers kit, for no absolutely other reason than to harmlessly support their favorite team. The Old Firm likely means nothing to them, 9 times out of 10. It's just a different place, here, ken?

I most certainly know the history, even if I don't truly understand all the emotions, of the nature of the rivalry between Celtic and Rangers. Believe me, when you're in a supporters' club with ex-pats, you just can't help but hear about it. And when I was in Glasgow last year to see a Celtic game my wife and I were stunned by all the bars with the signs "no football colors" on the doors. We were amazed when we looked at the program and saw the different routing of fans around and in the stadium for a non-Rangers game and an Old Firm match.

I think the majority of Americans KNOW about the issues between Catholics and Protestants in the British Isles, but don't truly understand all the "whys" of it. Many probably don't realize that it extends out of Northern Ireland. I am probably a little further along than most as I have a degree in history, but I don't necessarily know all the little details.

Jamie, I am quite confident that you did not mean to offend anyone. Those colors and those words just have a lot of very deep-rooted emotions attached to them in Scotland. How could you have known?

Like I said, I know the history, but please pardon me if I don't know all the details - like "bhoys" being a loaded word. To me (until now), it's not any different than being a Notre Dame fan (which I also am) and calling ourselves "Domers." I'll watch it from now on.

You most certainly did not offend in the least, but in some parts of Scotland (not to mention Ireland) the bitter rivalry and intolerace is rife and extremely nasty. My post was purely intended as a little reminder of this...

And I'm aware of this, just not all the forms in which it takes. And my only intent was to call attention to soccer teams I like and possibly invite some friendly smack (which is an art form we love over here in the States). I won't bring up the Old Firm any more if it offends.

That won't, however, stop me from saying such things as "Piss on the Fire" as a Columbus Crew fan...