I am wondering why Bear started this thread. I'm not sure if I was just to insult trads by calling us "Victorian," but I do believe it is not within the scope of this forum to find new definitions for kilts, as there is already a common usage for the different versions of the kilt. People call the four yard box pleat kilt the "four yard box pleat." People call the 16th century version, "the great kilt." People call the 8 yd. kilt the "traditional kilt." We already have terms that are in use.

I just sense something else behind the desire to label the traditional kilt. If there are those of us who wear the 8 yd. kilt who don't like the demeaning term "Victorian," then I don't think it is up to Bear or any of the more modern kilt wearers to come up with new terms for the traditional kilt.