You should also understand that there are purists (traditionalists) on this board, and our opinions should be respected as well. From your post, and I know you're new, you seem to be saying that we are being old fashioned and against change. I know you didn't write that, but it is implied. This is an opinion I see increasingly on XMarks. For us, some things are done simply out of tradition. This is a strongly held opinion by a lot of us in this forum, but it seems that when people are going against kilt traditions there are rounds of applause; however, when someone is defending tradition there are shouts of "Victorianism" and "Brigadoonery!" Does this mean I am against wearing boots with traditional kits? No, am for wearing anything with a kilt! I am speaking only about the kilt and what defines a kilt. That's where there seems to be disagreement in this forum. Just be careful that the views of some who believe that a kilt is more narrowly defined are respected, as we respect those those who wear more modern versions of the kilt.